MSX1 vs C64

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By PingPong

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02-06-2021, 16:56

not only. take a in depth look, another interesting feature is double accumulator, the 16 bit SP vs the 8bit of 6502 the ability to relocate page 0 .... X and Y are 16 bit vs 8 bit ones of 6502.... it is also faster than other 8 bits

By Micha

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16-06-2021, 19:13

I used to have a normal Philips vacuumcleaner. But then I saw an advert of a Dyson vacuumcleaner, which was twice as powerful and made half the noise. Great ! But when I used it I noticed that is had 2 settings: a powermode (which made twice as much noise as my old vacuumcleaner) and a silent mode (which was half as powerful as my old machine).
I feel the same when comparing an MSX1 to a C64. On the MSX1 there is basically just one graphics mode that everybody uses. The C64 is more versatile and you can do more "tricks" with it. But both come at a cost.
For demos the C64 is in my opinion a clear winner, because they only show the good stuff (like the Dyson). Most arcadegame ports look better on the C64 too, because it is the more flexible machine and easier to port an existing game to.
But in the end I feel that the MSX is the more balanced of the two, and games that are designed with the specific msx constraints (4 sprites per row, specific colorpalette, tiles with 2 colors per 8 pixels, 3 sound channels and 1 noise channel, etc) in mind can be really superior to games made for the C64.

By FloriFuxx

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14-09-2021, 12:17

When growing up in the 1980s I was naturally highly fascinated by all computers that I saw in stores and at my friends. When I was little, we only had such a black-and-white ultra retro pong game at home, and later a Philips G7000 console. But it wasn't until Christmas 1986 that I got me my very first own "real" computer when I was 11 years old.

A Sony HB-10D !!! Naturally with tape recorder, a joystick and the Battle Cross cartridge.

Guys, I was in love. I was so much in love. The BASIC books that came along were excellent. Like, really excellent. Kid-friendly and easy to understand.

My neighborhoods had all kinds of different computers, of course. One friend next door had a Commodore 16, another an Atari 800, one kid at school had a C128, another a C64, the Atari 2600 system was still widely present.

And me? I was the only kid in the world (so it seemed) with an MSX computer! I literally didn't know anyone else with an MSX but I didn't mind. I loved my machine. Even when I found out that the C64 tape games patiently copied by friends didn't work on the MSX! Naturally this limited my selection of games enormously. Every now and then I received cartridge games from my parents when I was being an especiallly good boy. But most of the time I saved my pocket money for cheap tape games. In most cases, I had no idea what I was buying. Sure, some games got reviewed in the only MSX magazine around, but most other games I bought by the cover pictures or by the brief descriptions of a delivery service.

I guess this also made me the only kid in all Germany that, at age 11 ,didn't own any pirated software Big smile

Of course I firmly believed that my MSX was the greatest machine in the world. The case looked cool, even had a caps lock LED and colored function keys (fancy!) and dedicated video RAM next to the big 64K main RAM. The only downside was the lack of MSX-friends at school, therefore lack of games, See, my C64 and Atari friends had boxes and boxes full of diskettes! Each disk stuffed with games! Sure the Konami modules for MSX were super cool but otherwise I had to load all my games from tape. And the 3.5" disk drive for the MSX was hella expensive. WAY too expensive for me, and also for my parents.

So I kinda envied my C64/128 and Atari 800 friends for their disk drives, but nevertheless I LOVED my MSX and never wanted another computer.

I got a bit jealous, maybe, when about one yerar later one older boy in the neighborhood got himself a Philips VG8235 MSX2. With a super fancy disk drive that was not only fast, but absolutely unhearable. All I need to say is "Metal Gear" which *cries* didn't run on my MSX1. I wanted it! But it was too pricey for me. But yeah I never ever thought of replacing my MSX with an Atari or Commodore. I was an MSX kid and proud of it!

For me, all those 80s machines were unique and magic. It's true, as many above mentioned it, I too wasn't a fan of the pale colors of the C64. Also I found the C64 case design a bit boring. Also, the SID in most cases always sounded the same, even though some SID tunes (and games) kicked ass. But really I liked all computers of the era. Just even today my heart beats the happiest for MSX still and Atari ST.

By gdx

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14-09-2021, 14:07

FloriFuxx wrote:

Sure, some games got reviewed in the only MSX magazine around, but most other games I bought by the cover pictures or by the brief descriptions of a delivery service.

I have never bought a game on tape. I would rather have a good game on cartridge than 10 on tape.

FloriFuxx wrote:

I guess this also made me the only kid in all Germany that, at age 11 ,didn't own any pirated software

I also did not own any pirated software until the acquisition of an MSX with a floppy disk drive. Before that, I fed my MSX with magazine programs and I was learning a lot programming at the same time. I had very few cartridges but Konami and HAL made me happy. Therefore, other computers did not interest me much.

By FloriFuxx

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14-09-2021, 14:48

I have never bought a game on tape. I would rather have a good game on cartridge than 10 on tape.

I knoooow but I was just a poor kid with small spending money! When I received my monthly 10 (later 20) Marks, which equals 5-10€ disregarding inflation, I walked ten miles uphill and barefooted to the nearest computer store! Through hip-high snow! Yes yes, tough times! I think the old Sony cartridges did cost about 30 Marks, the Konami modules about 40-50 from what I recall. But cheap cassette games like Hopper (aka Frogger) only cost about 10 so that was what new stuff I could get me within one month Big smile Besides many games were not even available on cartridge! Think of all the great games that you have missed! Wintergames...The Heist.... Killer Tomatoes and so so so many more! xD

By gdx

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14-09-2021, 15:12

FloriFuxx wrote:

I knoooow but I was just a poor kid with small spending money!

Me too. My first cartridge was offered with the MSX to purchase. I had to wait months and months and resell what I could to buy the second. In addition i was not the only one to finance it.

By defdanny

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14-09-2021, 17:41

Hi FloriFuxx, welcome to the forum!
In my personal counting you must be German MSX user number 5 of 10! Wink

By FloriFuxx

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14-09-2021, 18:06

defdanny wrote:

Hi FloriFuxx, welcome to the forum!
In my personal counting you must be German MSX user number 5 of 10! Wink

Aw thanks a lot defdanny! Makes me glad to see that there is still an active community for our beloved MSX computers!

By hamlet

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14-09-2021, 20:41

Time to make a German MSX meeting. Wink
It will feel so strange to talk about MSX in German!
Of course we could team up with some C64 fanboys, which shouldn't been hard to find in our region.
Just to scare them. Evil

By AnsiStar

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14-09-2021, 20:50

May I could join the party? Wink

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