Use msx floppies on PC

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Por Grauw

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22-10-2020, 13:29

msx4ever,com, please stop trolling and being disrespectful to developers who have been putting years of their life in the development of this emulator. Nobody is forcing you to use openMSX. Nobody is forbidding you to use RuMSX. OpenMSX may not be the best tool for your use case, and that is totally fine.

As an MSX developer, openMSX is the perfect emulator because it has a high accuracy and supports many different machines. It allows me to speed up my development and test on machines I don’t own.

For general users it is also a great emulator. Yes it is inconvenient that you have to download system roms separately, it puts up a small barrier of entry unfortunately, but that is a given and is never going to change for this emulator. Manuel explained why they have that policy. Users can download system ROMs all they want, but openMSX can not bundle them because distribution platforms like Linux package managers or the Android store (or, y’know, the law) do not permit it.

Your opinion about what is acceptable to you and what the odds are of getting caught may be different, that’s fine. Emulators have a long history of legal trouble and this one intends to stay clear of that.

Por msx4ever,com

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22-10-2020, 13:23

Manuel

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I completely agree that for a user that doesn't know much about MSX this means openMSX is not easy to start with. It requires someone to help you get started. But that's the price of being legal and focusing on advanced MSX users.

Getting started with openMSX has little to do with knowledge of the MSX It has more to do with technical knowledge about MSX computers, writing bat files. Working on DOS prompt. Etc, etc. Even for someone that has knowledge in using a MSX computer and even MSX basic, is setting op openMSX very hard. Knowlege of MSX doesn't help. Writing batchfiles, configuring a machine is even hard for a advanced MSX user. I see myself as advanced, but I do not have enough time and am not driven enough to learn things that have nothing to do with MSX MSX itself is very easy to start with. MSX basic is easy. Most people, sometimes children want to know how to start a game and how to play, not how to write batchfiles and configurations. Turn it on, choose a game and play. Floppy in the drive and play. In ten minuts I get them busy with RuMSX and floppies and one hour and much work for me with blueMSX and images. With openMSX it means days.

Por msx4ever,com

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22-10-2020, 14:02

Manuel

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I completely agree that for a user that doesn't know much about MSX this means openMSX is not easy to start with. It requires someone to help you get started. But that's the price of being legal and focusing on advanced MSX users.

So, I fully understand that you find it more difficult to explain how openMSX works for 'simple' users. But that still makes it unfair that you say that openMSX is not an MSX emulator. It's just not very suitable for your specific needs.

Getting started with openMSX has nothing to do with knowledge of MSX. MSX and MSX basic are easy. Beginning with openMSX has to do with configuring openMSX and technical knowledge of MSX machines. I have MSX knowledge enough, but it doesn't help me a bit with beginning openMSX

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So, I fully understand that you find it more difficult to explain how openMSX works for 'simple' users. But that still makes it unfair that you say that openMSX is not an MSX emulator. It's just not very suitable for your specific needs.

It is not suitable as MSX emulator for nobody. It is just too hard and MSX is easy.

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Check what these people did with openMSX: it boots almost like a real MSX (but indeed, does not support real floppy disks!):

And two links. Did you see the videos? In the second one actobacillusprime typed twice 'dir' in msx basic, without dos prompt. And he typed 'load"eboor.bat" The name was wrong but also you can't load a bat file in msx basic.

Por mars2000you

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22-10-2020, 14:13

To all participants in this thread (except some specific person): don't feed the troll - I really don't understand the utility to answer such an annoying person.

Por msx4ever,com

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22-10-2020, 14:13

@Manuel The two links also indicate that you probably like linux more with the penguin than the MSX system.
The filmmaker doesn't even know MSX basic.
This is msx.org and not linux.org with the penguin. The domain name linux.org was no longer available or you are on the wrong forum.

Manuel

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Yes, you have made your point. Enjoy RuMSX, give it all the attention you want! But please do not say wrong things about other emulators. These also do not deserve that.

ANGRY! What was wrong with what I said about other emulators?
What? and indicate what was wrong and prove otherwise or make your excuse!

Por msx4ever,com

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22-10-2020, 14:33

To me, msx.org seems more like a group of linux users. I don't have the time or desire to learn how to use openMSX. But I do understand that catapult is virtually indispensable for the user. Then why not catapult into the same zip file as openMSX and a manual for both at the same time? Maybe someday I will get bored and try to configure openMSX for my 4 different msx computers, but I doubt it. openMSX is an emulator for developers and not for the regular user. For the regular user, RuMSX is much better. Use floppy disks as if you were working on the MSX. Format diskettes on the pc, copy diskettes to dsk and vice versa. Yes, developers will be happy with openMSX, but that doesn't make it a better emulator than RuMSX RuMSX offers many solutions for the common man. That is not a breakdown of openMSX, but an observation.

Of course openMSX has many advantages over RuMSX, but especially for experts and developers. RuMSX is more like working with a real MSX and diskettes. Images of floppy disks are important, but physical floppies will last for many years to come. This way many dsk files can also be created and that is easier with RuMSX. Which can also be used nicely by openMSX and blueMSX

Por hamlet

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22-10-2020, 14:33

msx4ever,com. This is my last warning.
You mind your words or I will ban you.
No further discussion.

Por Manuel

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22-10-2020, 14:44

msx4ever,com wrote:

But I do understand that catapult is virtually indispensable for the user. Then why not catapult into the same zip file as openMSX and a manual for both at the same time?

No, it's not indispensable. But it can be helpful. And that's why it is included in the installer for Windows (*-msi.zip). I wonder how you missed it. The installer also tells you where to put the system ROMs of other machines. And the manual is also included, but it's also available online, both for openMSX and Catapult: http://openmsx.org/docs.html

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Images of floppy disks are important, but physical floppies will last for many years to come. This way many dsk files can also be created and that is easier with RuMSX. Which can also be used nicely by openMSX and blueMSX

People don't make images with RuMSX, but with DiskManager or other tools. But why are you making them, if you say that physical floppies will last forever and you only use these in RuMSX?

And no, physical floppies do not last that long. I have many real floppies who just broke down. Disk images however, stored in the cloud and the internet, will last forever. I'm sure you also downloaded quite a lot of them.

Por msx4ever,com

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22-10-2020, 15:50

If catapult is so helpful. In my zip file was only the msi. So I did not missed it, it was not there. And no manuel either.
With RuMSX it is much easier than with diskmanager and with RuMSX you can make empty dsk file to write to in seconds.
Formatting a real diskette is for RuMSX peanuts, it can't be done with diskmanager or openMSX or blueMSX
Further more is RuMSX less picky than diskmanager and disks that diskmanager can't read work with RuMSX fine.
Diskettes who old are sometimes difficult for diskmanager, but RuMSX can read them and after that you make a new copy on a better physical diskette. Perhaps a tip for you if a diskette doesn't work with diskmanager.
I have now a almost a thousand floppies, many were used on schools, and wenn I test them only 10% to 20% is dammaged.
Doubel sided can made single sided and are perfect then. But you have to store them properly and handle them with love. No I did not say they last forever, that is what you make of it! They last for many years, that is what I said.
I have quite a few websites and I have them sometimes in the cloud, but it is a fairy tale that they are safe.
I get many attacks on them and in the past I did loose many data and sometimes whole websites.
I did make a lot diskimages with RuMSX and did put them on the internet for many years on several websites.
But four years ago I had to stop and now in 2020 I begin over, but nothing has changed.
Did you buy Rudolf Lechleitner a cup of Coffee for diskmanager?
I did several times in the past and this week again. Wink

Por gdx

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22-10-2020, 15:55

msx4ever,com wrote:

Dans Windows, vous cliquez sur une icône et cela démarre, ce n'est pas le cas avec openMSX.

I use openMSX on Windows and Mac. Both do it. Maybe you don't know how to use Windows.

msx4ever,com wrote:

openMSX has no System Roms, because it is illegal.
But it is made to use illegal ROM's and dsk of games.

You are wrong. OpenMSX may just not be able to run original copy-protected floppy disks but it is not made to use illegal ROM's and dsk of games. The law does not prohibit making a personal copy in many countries.

msx4ever,com wrote:

A game is made for only ONE standard and does not come in 150 flavors or even more.
Did you ever see a game in 150 flavors for 150 different MSX machines?
Yes, that is stupid, there is only one for sale.

It's your comment that's stupid. If we have a real MSX and we want to use openMSX to preserve our MSX or use the debugger, just copy the ROMs to the "Machines" folder and it becomes possible unless this MSX is not among all those who can be emulated. It same for diskettes and Tapes.

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