Copy program (noise?)

Paladin (743)

06-03-2014, 23:12

Hello, I am / we are looking for a program that copies (most of) all reals MSX disk without problems.

Talking to my MSX-mate OeiOei-vogeltje, we remembered there was a good copy program back in tha days that copied almost all. It showed 'noise' (image) on the screen while copying. Does anybody know (the name of) this program??

Or does anybody know a good alternative? What is the best copying program around today? A program that copies (almost) ALL disks including (most) of all available MSX copyprotections?
[suitable for lets say regular European MSX computers like Philips and Sony MSX computers]

Regards,
ray2day

www.raymondmsx.nl

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Por Manuel

Ascended (19463)

06-03-2014, 23:16

I think Formula is the only one that can copy with copy protections, but you need to have the 'formula' for the disk you're copying. But it's turboR only.

The one you mean with the 'noise' is KOPPIE, but that one only does normal disks, no protections. (And I'd use FastCopy 3 always instead.) To copy all protections you really need an Amiga ;-)

In other words: what you talk about does not exist.

Por luppie

Paladin (869)

06-03-2014, 23:19

I concur with Manuel. Back in the days I used Fastcopy, and for the disks it wouldn't copy I used my brothers Amiga (barf)

Por larsthe18th

Master (189)

06-03-2014, 23:52

The programm with the (Image) 'Noice' was published in one of the MSX magazines.

10 ' 120k copy voor 3.5 inch disk
20 '   SSDD(360k) of DSDD(720k)
30 DATA"ED5BF8F72100080604C5D5E506"
40 DATA"1E0E0021009BAF3E00CD4401D1"
50 DATA"D501003C21009BCD5C00E17CC6"
60 DATA"3C67D1E5211E0019E5D1E1C105"
70 DATA"C26198C9ED5BF8F72100080604"
80 DATA"C5E5D501003C11009BCD5900D1"
90 DATA"D5061E0E0021009B373E00CD44"
100 DATA"01E1111E0019E5D1E17CC63C67"
110 DATA"C105C29998C900000000000000"
120 '
130 CLEAR300,&H9858:DEFINT A-Y
140 P=&H9858
150 FORA=1TO9
160   READA$
170   FORB=1TO26STEP2
180     POKEP,VAL("&H"+MID$(A$,B,2))
190     P=P+1
200   NEXTB
210 NEXTA
220 '
230 SCREEN8:COLOR255
240   DEFUSR1=&H9858
250   DEFUSR2=&H9890
260   A$(1)="plaats orgineel [spatie]"
270   A$(2)="plaats kopie    [spatie]"
280   A$(0)="Initialisatie"+STRING$(52,32)+A$(1)
290 '
300   N=0:GOSUB380
310   A$=DSKI$(0,0)
320   Z=PEEK(&HF351)+256*PEEK(&HF352)
330   POKE&H9867,PEEK(Z+21)
340   POKE&H98AA,PEEK(Z+21)
350   Z=PEEK(Z+21)
360 GOTO 440
370 '
380 OPEN"grp:" FOR OUTPUT AS#1
390   PSET(32,0):PRINT#1,A$(N)
400   IFSTRIG(0)=0THEN400
410   LINE(0,0)-STEP(255,7),0,BF
420 CLOSE#1:RETURN
430 '
440 U=0
450 T=(VAL("&H"+HEX$(Z))-VAL("&HF7"))*3
460 FORB=1TOT:N=1
470   SETPAGE0,0:CLS:GOSUB380:A=USR1(U)
480   U=U+120:SETPAGE1,1:CLS:A=USR1(U)
490   SETPAGE0,0:N=2:GOSUB380
500   U=U-120:A=USR2(U)
510   U=U+120:SETPAGE1,1:A=USR2(U)
520   U=U+120
530 NEXTB
540 '
550 SCREEN0:END

Por ray2day

Paladin (743)

07-03-2014, 00:18

Thank you for all you replies.

@Luppie; FastCopy is a good copy program, but not as good as the 'noise' copy program I am talking about.

While you were posting, I took a look in my (real) disk archive (or in Dutch: in de vele "laat je zelf verrassen" diskettebakken die ik hier heb staan) and there I found the program.

And it INDEED COPIED THE DISK that I wanted to make a back-up copy of for a long time,
but could not copy with other MSX copy programs.

It's very simple and exact the same to what Larsthe18 printed above here. It is a very good program. And back in the days I can not remember there was any disk I could not copy with this program.

If I am correct MK-soft is public domain software nowadays, so I can post it here (if not: then admin I am sorry / please remove);

Quote:

10 ' *****************************
20 ' * *
30 ' * >>> disk copie-MSX2 <<< *
40 ' * *
50 ' * in blokken van 120 Kbyte *
60 ' * *
70 ' * by: Marcel J.M.KAMERMANS *
80 ' * *
90 ' * (c) 5 April 1986 MK-soft *
100 ' * *
110 ' *****************************
120 '
130 '
140 DATA"ED5BF8F72100080604C5D5E506"
150 DATA"1E0EF821009BAF3E00CD4401D1"
160 DATA"D501003C21009BCD5C00E17CC6"
170 DATA"3C67D1E5211E0019E5D1E1C105"
180 DATA"C26198C9ED5BF8F72100080604"
190 DATA"C5E5D501003C11009BCD5900D1"
200 DATA"D5061E0EF821009B373E00CD44"
210 DATA"01E1111E0019E5D1E17CC63C67"
220 DATA"C105C29998C900000000000000"
230 '
240 '
250 CLEAR300,39000!EFINT A-Y
260 A$=DSKI$(0,0)
270 Z=PEEK(&HF351)+256*PEEK(&HF352)
280 POKE&H9867,PEEK(Z+21)
290 P=&H9858
300 FORA=1TO9
310 READA$
320 FORB=1TO26STEP2
330 POKEP,VAL("&h"+MID$(A$,B,2))
340 P=P+1
350 NEXTB
360 NEXTA
370 '
380 '
390 SCREEN8:COLOR255
400 DEFUSR1=39000!
410 DEFUSR2=39056!
420 A$(1)="plaats orgineel [spatie]"
430 A$(2)="plaats copie [spatie]"
440 GOTO 520
450 OPEN"grp:" FOR OUTPUT AS#1
460 PSET(32,0)RINT#1,A$(N)
470 IFSTRIG(0)=0THEN470
480 LINE(0,0)-STEP(255,7),0,BF
490 CLOSE#1:RETURN
500 '
510 '
520 U=0
530 FORB=1TO3:N=1
540 SETPAGE0,0:CLS:GOSUB450:A=USR1(U)
550 U=U+120:SETPAGE1,1:CLS:A=USR1(U)
560 SETPAGE0,0:N=2:GOSUB450
570 U=U-120:A=USR2(U)
580 U=U+120:SETPAGE1,1:A=USR2(U)
590 U=U+120
600 NEXTB
620 END

Por ray2day

Paladin (743)

07-03-2014, 00:19

Por hbarcellos

Hero (645)

07-03-2014, 02:04

Manuel wrote:

to copy all protections you really need an Amiga ;-)

Hmmm, afaik, Amiga's had a 880k floppy disk.
Can you explain (or point a link) where someone could learn how those protections used to work and "how" an Amiga could overcome 'em?

[OFF] I remember using this on my amiga to copy Amiga disks...

Por meits

Scribe (6542)

07-03-2014, 07:44

I remember I used two programs to copy one protected disk.
The first thing was copying the whole disk. This had to be done on a computer which had two diskdrives connected. When there was a bad sector, I had to write it down.
When copying was complete, another copy program got started which could copy a (range of) sectors and did not support a second diskdrive, so I had to swap disks. I inserted a sector and copied it.
After all sectors which I had written down were copied I had a 1:1 copy.

I remember one name: Allcopy, but I don't know which of the two programs it was...

Por Manuel

Ascended (19463)

07-03-2014, 08:25

The Amiga can control the FDD directly. On MSX you are dealing with the FDC in between. That's why you can copy more stuff on an Amiga. You have full control.

ray2day: which disk did you try to copy? Now I want to try it myself.

Por ray2day

Paladin (743)

07-03-2014, 12:59

@manuel; youve got mail

Por anonymous

incognito ergo sum (116)

07-03-2014, 19:14

The programs I used in the past for MSX were X-COPY and SMA Turbo Copy, this one used the VRAM to copy so some noise, as you say, were showed on the screen during the process. I don't know if this helps...