Help! Copyrights!

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Por thinlizzy

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06-12-2003, 20:32

You like removing links to other sites with copyright material or censoring posts, but i can't understand some things:

- these "home made" translations of games are illegal too. it is like piracy!!! They are cracking copyrighted software

- you annouce cracked softs whose are sold illegally, like the cd version of knightmare

so, why all this hypocrisy?

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Por Jazzy

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06-12-2003, 20:34

You like removing links to other sites with copyright material or censoring posts, but i can't understand some things:

- these "home made" translations of games are illegal too. it is like piracy!!! They are cracking copyrighted software

- you annouce cracked softs whose are sold illegally, like the cd version of knightmare

so, why all this hypocrisy?How about sending a email to the makers of this site. This is a forum for the MSX community, I don't see where your questions can be a help for other MSX-users.

Por anonymous

incognito ergo sum (116)

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06-12-2003, 21:53

IMO, there's a difference in positive developments (translations, special CD versions, etc) and just plain copying.

As for translations, I would urge translators to distribute their translations as patches in stead of complete games, because thinlizzy is right about it being piracy.

Por JohnL

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06-12-2003, 22:46

Dear Friends,

"How about sending a email to the makers of this site. This is a forum for the MSX community, I don't see where your questions can be a help for other MSX-users."

I agree with thinlizzy, this is a subject (the copyrights) that affects the entire MSX society.

"IMO, there's a difference in positive developments (translations, special CD versions, etc) and just plain copying."

Concerning the law, there is no difference, piracy is always piracy, no matter if the pirate has "good intentions", so I agree when thinlizzy says it is hypocrisy the act of inventing such a difference betwen cracking a game, modifing it's code without the permission of the manufacturer/copyright holder, and simply copying it. How many pirated software for msx any of you own and use?

I would like to know if has any producer of software contacted you about linking pages wich contain 15 year old software for msx.

"As for translations, I would urge translators to distribute their translations as patches in stead of complete games, because thinlizzy is right about it being piracy."

Patches are legal?

Por snout

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06-12-2003, 23:17

I agree with thinlizzy, this is a subject (the copyrights) that affects the entire MSX society.It's also a subject we've tackled several times before WinkConcerning the law, there is no difference, piracy is always piracy, no matter if the pirate has "good intentions", so I agree when thinlizzy says it is hypocrisy the act of inventing such a difference betwen cracking a game, modifing it's code without the permission of the manufacturer/copyright holder, and simply copying it.This is a choice the MSX Resource Center admins have to make (and are making on a daily basis). We want to report about all the news concerning the MSX Community but we don't want to get ourselves (or others) in trouble. We will never link to (or report about) a warez only site, nor will we tolerate users linking to warez in the forums. But, if an MSX developer creates interesting software, should we not report about it because he also has two or three 'warez' on his site? If we would be that strict we would have little news, I'm afraid. With every newspost we try to check things and decide if the newsvalue is high enough to get a newspost. We know perfectly well that by doing this we sometimes report on things that are discutable. During the last year we have become more strict in legal things, and it is not unlikely that we will get even more strict in the future. How many pirated software for msx any of you own and use?The MSX Resource Center Foundation does not own a single bit of pirated software.I would like to know if has any producer of software contacted you about linking pages wich contain 15 year old software for msx.Yes they have. More than one producer. More than once. Even quite recently.

But this is not a matter of whether or not companies are actually haunting the people who are publishing warez or not, is it? It's a matter of what's legal and what's not. It's a matter of decency and morale. The MSX Community consists out of many developers these days. Suppose a new product like Bombaman got warezed a day after its release. If I was in Team Bomba, I'd consider dropping MSX instantly. (Now I have little reason to believe that Bombaman will be warezed, and even less reason to believe one of the developers would ever drop MSX, but still...)

Also, several people are trying to make the MSX Revival happen. One of the steps in this revival is re-releasing many of those 15 year old software titles. When you keep warez online (or worse: Start new warez sites), you're not only getting in the way of the MSX Revival, you're also more bound to get yourself in trouble. The companies that are selling software now will surely consider people who spread pirated versions of their software as people who are destroying their market. And they have all rights to take steps agains that.

The point is.. why bother spreading MSX warez? If you want to show how good and cool MSX is, why not create some software yourself, or buy some software created by amateurs. Support the active community, become part of the active community and stay out of the way of big software houses at the same time!

Por JohnL

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06-12-2003, 23:24

Wich softhouses contacted the site?

Por anonymous

incognito ergo sum (116)

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06-12-2003, 23:25

Patches are legal?
Ofcourse they are, it's just a piece of data!

Reverse-engineering software in order to translate or otherwise adapt it might or might not be legal in your area, but that's another matter.

Wich softhouses contacted the site?
That's none of your business, is it?

Por JohnL

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07-12-2003, 00:08

"The MSX Resource Center Foundation does not own a single bit of pirated software."

Was not talking about msx resource center, but users in general.

"Also, several people are trying to make the MSX Revival happen."

Are there any softhouses supporting msx revival?

"One of the steps in this revival is re-releasing many of those 15 year old software titles. "

This softhouses would not care about people hacking this old software and releasing special versions of it?

"When you keep warez online (or worse: Start new warez sites), you're not only getting in the way of the MSX Revival, you're also more bound to get yourself in trouble."

By that logic, linking to a developer wich also have two or three warez is getting in the way of the Revival.

"The companies that are selling software now will surely consider people who spread pirated versions of their software as people who are destroying their market. And they have all rights to take steps agains that."

Are there any of the old companies selling software for msx today?

"The point is.. why bother spreading MSX warez?"

I don't want to spread MSX warez.

"If you want to show how good and cool MSX is, why not create some software yourself, or buy some software created by amateurs."

Because I don't like tetris and arkanoid clones.

"Patches are legal?

Ofcourse they are, it's just a piece of data!"

Old companies care about them?

"Wich softhouses contacted the site?
That's none of your business, is it?"

I would like to know about wich subject they did contact the site, if it was because of warez, cracking games or what, to know what the companies care aboutl.

Por Bart

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07-12-2003, 00:42

JohnL, you are asking so much question which can be answered by just reading the MRC. Have you kept up with the news in the past years? Or are you just shouting to get a discussion started? For instance, your question about old software being sold. Have you ever heard of Project EGG? (http://www.soft-city.com/egg/)

Anyway, it's good that you discuss copyrights. Because it's a fragile and often spoken about issue. As Snout already said; we try to keep up with our own rules. If you think we broke them by linking to some site or something please email us. We will take your comments seriously. But as Snout also said; we make the choices, no one else. If you think it's hypocracy, so be it. Keep in mind that we don't and will never do anything to harm the MSX Community, the revival or anything important to us MSX'ers. To do so, we're in constant discussion with the community, the "old" companies, the MSX Association and so on. MRC is here for you: the MSX community as a whole.

Por anonymous

incognito ergo sum (116)

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07-12-2003, 01:09

Some people just don't want to read...

Por thinlizzy

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07-12-2003, 07:00

"The MSX Resource Center Foundation does not own a single bit of pirated software."

Was not talking about msx resource center, but users in general.

this is the FUN part of the hypocrisy of msx users Smile


"Also, several people are trying to make the MSX Revival happen."

Are there any softhouses supporting msx revival?

this is a dream. wake up and get a life, please


"One of the steps in this revival is re-releasing many of those 15 year old software titles. "

This softhouses would not care about people hacking this old software and releasing special versions of it?

tee hee Smile stop destroying the wet dreams of them or they will place an witchcraft on you


"When you keep warez online (or worse: Start new warez sites), you're not only getting in the way of the MSX Revival, you're also more bound to get yourself in trouble."

By that logic, linking to a developer wich also have two or three warez is getting in the way of the Revival.

it seems this logic is applied only by convenience Sad


"The companies that are selling software now will surely consider people who spread pirated versions of their software as people who are destroying their market. And they have all rights to take steps agains that."

Are there any of the old companies selling software for msx today?

Konami, Compile, Activision HEHEHEHAHAHAHAAH Smile Smile Smile
even my little daughter knows today only home developers try to sell their msx clone-softwares and only fanactic fans throw away money on that


"The point is.. why bother spreading MSX warez?"

I don't want to spread MSX warez.

"If you want to show how good and cool MSX is, why not create some software yourself, or buy some software created by amateurs."

Because I don't like tetris and arkanoid clones.

"Patches are legal?

Ofcourse they are, it's just a piece of data!"

Old companies care about them?

"Wich softhouses contacted the site?
That's none of your business, is it?"

I would like to know about wich subject they did contact the site, if it was because of warez, cracking games or what, to know what the companies care aboutl.

good one. i'd like to know more about that, too

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