Ashguine Story 2 - translation and music patches

Ashguine Story 2 - translation and music patches

van Randam op 27-05-2012, 23:32
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Ever wondered about the story behind Ashguine 2, the great action RPG by T&E Soft? The latest translation by MSX Translations will allow you to enjoy it in English. Aside from the translation various improvements have been implemented, like an improved screen split and no more flickering sprites on Turbo R computers. Inspired by the FM sample tunes on the FM PAC, it was decided that it might be nice to make optional music patches for this game. Meits has made new arrangements for both MSX-Music and MSX-Audio based on the original music. You can choose which configuration you like best: original music, just MSX-Music or MSX-Audio or even MSX-Music and MSX-Audio at the same time. Simply apply the appropriate patches and go! For the curious who can't wait, there's a quick video here.

Relevant link: MSX Translations - Ashguine 2 patches

Reacties (48)

Van mesiasmsx

Prophet (3331)

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28-05-2012, 12:30

I can´t say words !T-H-A-N-K-S! Running Naked in a Field of Flowers Running Naked in a Field of Flowers Running Naked in a Field of Flowers Running Naked in a Field of Flowers Running Naked in a Field of Flowers Running Naked in a Field of Flowers Running Naked in a Field of Flowers Running Naked in a Field of Flowers Running Naked in a Field of Flowers Running Naked in a Field of Flowers

Van Jorito

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28-05-2012, 13:18

That's a very interesting way of translation: not only translating the text, but also the music! Anyways, impressive job, kudos!

Van KdL

Paragon (1408)

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29-05-2012, 02:25

Really! It's a new game now!! Many thx!!! Smile

Van Gradius2

Hero (625)

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29-05-2012, 07:21

Holy cow!

I imagine the work it was!

Btw, I saw DRAGON SLAYER 4 in which is funny since here on Brazil it was always in english.

Van ro

Scribe (4482)

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29-05-2012, 08:56

wow, 25 years later I am able to play the game and understand it Smile great job!

Van Huey

Prophet (2675)

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29-05-2012, 09:03

respect!

Van anonymous

incognito ergo sum (116)

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29-05-2012, 13:19

Thank you so much! Great job!. For when more music patches like this? For example Rastan Saga (Sega version uses YM2413 songs)? or YS III?

Van Jorito

Mr. Ambassadors (1767)

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29-05-2012, 14:01

Hm, that's an interesting idea, porting/hacking in the music from other platforms! Not sure if that's doable tho. Then again, I'm no MSX coder Smile

Van JohnHassink

Ambassador (5587)

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29-05-2012, 16:54

Thank you! Excellent job!

Van Pac

Scribe (6412)

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29-05-2012, 17:01

Jorito wrote:

Hm, that's an interesting idea, porting/hacking in the music from other platforms! Not sure if that's doable tho. Then again, I'm no MSX coder Smile

Yes, no need to compose them again... coders should comment viability....

Van mesiasmsx

Prophet (3331)

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29-05-2012, 20:19

Jorito wrote:

not only translating the text, but also the music! Anyways, impressive job, kudos!

!Yes!

Van Akiguchi

Hero (620)

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29-05-2012, 21:01

Oh! This is wonderful news! I'm a big fan of FM music, so this is a big upgrade over the PSG version. In the future I'm also hoping for a version of Ys III, but in the meantime I'm going to enjoy this big time. Thanks! Smile

Van Randam

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29-05-2012, 21:03

@Gradius2: the Dragonslayer 4 patch itself doesn't translate much text. There are some other small but nice features to it though.

Van Meits

Scribe (6446)

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29-05-2012, 21:10

Just a pity that the in game musics are very short tracks, just a hand full of seconds each. Thanks to the FM-PAC demo, a style didn't have to be made up. I just took that style for the rest of the soundtrack.
The end demo had to be completely rearranged with totally different chords because the original was dreadfully false Big smile
It was a very nice job and I like the responses a lot... Thanks...

Van Imanok

Paragon (1188)

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30-05-2012, 00:05

Excellent job, as always! Big smile

Thank you very much, guys! Wink

Van LeandroCorreia

Paladin (955)

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30-05-2012, 05:17

Excellent job! Thank you! Big smile

Van carlosemandrade

Rookie (22)

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04-06-2012, 02:52

Excellent job! My video showing the game on real MSX Big smile
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUY6S_h5ZW8

Van anonymous

incognito ergo sum (116)

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04-06-2012, 22:30

Akiguchi wrote:

In the future I'm also hoping for a version of Ys III, but in the meantime I'm going to enjoy this big time. Thanks! Smile

Here's a start (very Work In Progress). Wink
http://youtu.be/tSYJGKDyZmg
But you'd need the music data and a way to convert it to do the entire soundtrack. Or lock someone up with an MSX. :)

Van Gradius2

Hero (625)

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04-06-2012, 22:47

Finished the game in 30min.

However the ending keep in loop is this normal?

Pass:
OLMHKIJIDFFKPLEF

Van SkyeWelse

Champion (471)

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05-06-2012, 02:43

Looks fantastic! : ) Always glad to see more work from the MSX Translations group. I'd like to play it soon, but I was trying to finish Ashguine 1 first before I play through the second game. The first game has been been difficult so far since it takes so very long to grind and avoid enemies until you can defeat them, and your attacks change making it all the more difficult to hit enemies... that and it's a absolute maze from what I can tell. I just got some kind of orb by going backwards and then promptly lost the remainder of my Life Points. Was the first game ever translated?

-Thomas

Van max_iwamoto

Hero (528)

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05-06-2012, 03:08

@ Gradius2: End-Demo looping is normal. This is exactly how it was in original game. Do you know that there is hidden doors and you can teleport trough them?

@ SkyeWelse: I don't think there is a translation of Ashguine 1. But you can play any of the 3 games in any order, because they are not sequels. They represent the same story, just told in a different way.

Max

Van max_iwamoto

Hero (528)

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05-06-2012, 03:12

@ John Hassink: Very nice arrangement. I feel like start ripping YS3 Wink

Van SkyeWelse

Champion (471)

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05-06-2012, 05:20

Quote:

@ SkyeWelse: I don't think there is a translation of Ashguine 1. But you can play any of the 3 games in any order, because they are not sequels. They represent the same story, just told in a different way.

In that case! I guess it's time to play some Ashguine 2. : )

-Thomas

Van anonymous

incognito ergo sum (116)

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05-06-2012, 16:24

max_iwamoto wrote:

@ John Hassink: Very nice arrangement. I feel like start ripping YS3 Wink

Thanks! Smile So, it's possible to extrahere the music data out of the game? I guess the hardest part would be to convert the 'notes' into an MBM track.

About Ashguine, which ones are Story 1 and Story 3? I much enjoyed the Micro Cabin one, but that of ASCII, not really.

EDIT: I credited it to ASCII, but it was actually Bit2, right?

Van Meits

Scribe (6446)

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05-06-2012, 20:11

It will take a bit o' time to grab the music from Ys 3. The only reason is its quantity Smile

Van Manuel

Ascended (18162)

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05-06-2012, 22:35

Thanks Max and Co! Max - how's SD Snatcher progressing?

Van max_iwamoto

Hero (528)

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06-06-2012, 03:59

@ JohnHassink: 1) It is possible to extract data, but I think better approach is to rip music from all disks, create music player for it and then somebody will re-arrange music based on originals.

2) Story 1 is Bit2, and I agree it is very hard to play game, mostly because it's very slow. But there is some interesting elements in it. We finished it some time ago. MicroCabin's game is Ashguine Story III (Flames of Vengence).

@ Manuel: SD Snatcher is progressing. Right now I am re-inserting all texts that were updated by Rieks & Dennis. Also we decided to translate GFX, it's also taking some time. Plus some other improvements, optimizations, etc... Unfortunately we are not progressing as fast as we did last year, because everybody involved is very busy with personal things. But important thing is that we are still very motivated and moving forward!

Van anonymous

incognito ergo sum (116)

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06-06-2012, 06:11

max_iwamoto wrote:

@ JohnHassink: 1) It is possible to extract data, but I think better approach is to rip music from all disks, create music player for it and then somebody will re-arrange music based on originals.

Still, that comes down to re-arranging by ear. Even if you could listen to channels separately, and even if you were able to manually slow down re-play, that'd be too much work (in this particular case) for one (or even two/three) human being(s). Smile For example, that single Varestine Castle arrangement was created in roughly 5 days, and it's not even finished.

I'd like to propose a more useful idea (IMHO) then, but it's paired to an important question.
The question: is music data used in games (or particularly Ys III) usually 'compressed' in the sense that we can't speak anymore of a 'step' like structure but only 'raw' frequency/noise/envelope commands on interrupt, or are there remnants of the music program/MML used to create the music which indicate a clear 'raster' or matrix in which the events happen (maybe this can actually be calculated along the relative interrupt cycles but I'm not a programmer, so.. Big smile)?
Anyway, in the latter case, even a simple graphical depiction of the actual 'notes' (frequencies) and their individual lengths (!) would make the entire process a whooooole lot easier. Like, factor 100.000 or so. Wink Well, you'd feel like a data typist at an office booth, but it's still a lot less tiring than doing the entire thing by ear alone.

Even if you manage to make a program that, just through some cross-development application, p00ps out a .txt file which shows the exact notes (or calculated by frequency), I think I can speak for any music creator when I say that this is to be preferred way over just a replayer. Although one with separate channel on/off and slowing down, or even rewind/fast forward/pause functions would be a very handy tool to aid in the conversion.

Then you got the 'notes' at least. The real 'fun' begins in making it sound 'credible' on FM and especially - working around Moonblaster's limitations. LOL! On top of that; in the case of Falcom MSX PSG music, an arranger would have to listen very closely to other ports (NES, SNES, etc. but PC-88 and Sega Genesis in particular) to find out how the music was meant by the composer, since the MSX versions are just 3-channel renditions of originally more elaborate songs.

max_iwamoto wrote:

2) Story 1 is Bit2, and I agree it is very hard to play game, mostly because it's very slow. But there is some interesting elements in it. We finished it some time ago. MicroCabin's game is Ashguine Story III (Flames of Vengence).

Yup, it was the general sludginess (not to mention the bad control response) which threw me off very early in the game. Interested about the interesting elements. Smile
Story III is no Xak but still a very fun action RPG, in my opinion.

Van Randam

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06-06-2012, 08:13

@Johnhassink: the interesting parts are probably that the ingame story shows some more details about Nepentes (more areas) and more info about the Pretarians. But there are important differences too like the absence of the Azumural or "Vie" for that matter.

Probably the most challenging thing about Ashguine I is that at certain points in the game you need to meet exp requirements in order to advance. So if your exp is too low you can't get to a next area even if you triggered all events up to the point you are at. If you don't know that, you face endless wandering about through the game. And you need to know which enemies give you EXP, AC etc when you defeat them otherwise the game will be very hard indeed.

Van KdL

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06-06-2012, 16:03

@Johnhassink: ..ehm, but Falcom sell Ys games for PC with the original MIDI Sound Track inside of DVD. For e.g. YS 1&2 Eternal have them!! Many original MIDI files are online: they are usefull to get notes and make a conversion for MSX.

Van hap

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06-06-2012, 16:27

JH what you need is a script/function that saves the audiochip stream from an emulator, to a .mid file. meisei can do it for PSG, but it can't play YS3. ;p
Quibus wants it in openmsx, you'll have to persuade him to spend time making a TCL script for it.

Van Meits

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06-06-2012, 20:23

Yes!
But then you have a MID file and there's Moonblaster who doesn't know what *that* is...
And I can imagine that if there's a MID2MBM.COM the notes will be scattered allover the channels...

Van Manuel

Ascended (18162)

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06-06-2012, 22:22

You can always manually read the notes from the screen with the music_keyboard openMSX script Tongue

Van sd_snatcher

Prophet (3473)

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07-06-2012, 04:21

Great work!!! Thank you so much!

The MSX-Audio and MSX-Music + MSX-Audio patches (without digital drums) even work just fine on the OPL3 cartridge and on MoonSound, when those are configured to the C0h port.

Van max_iwamoto

Hero (528)

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07-06-2012, 06:01

@ JohnHassink: After reading all the comments and checking online resources, I think the best approach in case of YS 3 is to convert music from available MIDI files.

Van sd_snatcher

Prophet (3473)

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07-06-2012, 17:33

@max_iwamoto

I have the complete YS3 soundtrack for FM+SCC+PSG, in MGS format. I don't know for sure who made it (some japanese guy), but it's just wonderful/eye tearing.

It was on my plans to tackle on YS3, turbofixing it, porting to harddisk, adding this FM-Music soundtrack, fixing the game to pass the MSX AcidTests, and adding OPL3/4 support. But unfortunately I don't have enough free time anymore.

If you want to, I can send this YS3 MGS soundtrack to you.

Van sd_snatcher

Prophet (3473)

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11-08-2012, 14:38

What about releasing a KSS file of this wonderful new soundtrack? Big smile

Van l_oliveira

Hero (531)

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01-04-2015, 18:14

sd_snatcher wrote:

Great work!!! Thank you so much!

The MSX-Audio and MSX-Music + MSX-Audio patches (without digital drums) even work just fine on the OPL3 cartridge and on MoonSound, when those are configured to the C0h port.

Part of grauw's plans for the program in the future is detect what is available and redirect chip-compatible data streams accordingly, based on what is installed/available. I mean, knowing that OPL, OPL2 and FM only MSX-Audio data can be played on the Moonsound, just dynamically redirect it. I got this info from talking to him on openMSX IRC channel.

So, eventually no C4 to C0 switching will be required.

edit:wat ? I thought I was comenting into VGMplay release thread. Shocked!
email link stuff might be borked

Van fernando.collazo.5682

Master (256)

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04-04-2015, 00:04

the webpage is offline

Van Randam

Paragon (1400)

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04-04-2015, 00:27

Yeah I noticed too. Hopefully it will be fixed soon.

Van mars2000you

Enlighted (5989)

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14-04-2015, 21:34

Time now for the maps of this excellent game ! Where ? On MSX Eggerland of course !!! Wink

http://eggerland.msxblue.com/

Van JohnHassink

Ambassador (5587)

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14-04-2015, 23:06

Oh, that's handy. The stages get quite complicated early on.

Van mars2000you

Enlighted (5989)

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14-04-2015, 23:11

Yes, stages 1 to 4 are complicated labyrinths, while stage 5 and 6 are more 'classical'.

Van gdx

Enlighted (4713)

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17-04-2015, 00:11

The link is broken but I found the A2ENG100.RAR archive on a other site.
Great renovation ! Smile

Van fernando.collazo.5682

Master (256)

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17-04-2015, 01:21

thanks gdx

Van max_iwamoto

Hero (528)

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04-05-2015, 04:42

We moved msxfiles.com to new domain - msxtranslations.com

msxfiles.com is back online to ensure compatibility with links to it from other websites. And it will automatically re-direct you to msxtranslations.com as well.

But if you adding a new link to your website, please use msxtranslations.com from now on.

Van Meits

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04-05-2015, 18:42

With soon a new release Wink ?

Van max_iwamoto

Hero (528)

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05-05-2015, 04:00

@ Meits: I hope so Wink