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Van anonymous

incognito ergo sum (116)

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05-08-2004, 20:16

If everything in this world would only happen based on likelyhood (statistics), nothing new would ever happen.
It's a fact new and unlikely things DO happen, so it's no use pretending like it never will.

Van MäSäXi

Paragon (1884)

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05-08-2004, 22:44

MrRudi, don´t be afraid because it´s 1.000.000.000.000 % sure that sun will gladly burn both mercury and moon to atoms and more likely dear U.S. of A. will bomb their nuclears to your backyard. (or anywhere else on earth = as bad thing)

It depends which kind of big bosses are sitting on the top floor of the ex-msx-companies. If old msx-bosses have retired or kicked out from their jobs, there are only new bosses whose maybe have seen MSX in the commercials etc. only (compare todays european kids, say following to ANY kid: "I have a great MSX game!" and kid will reply with "What?!?!" because she/he has born after msx was died or was dying, ok, I KNOW msx was BIG THING in japan, so they propably know better the word MSX at least, but time is running...and golden days are in the past) they propably are not too interested of publishing old or new games for DEAD OLD COMPUTER....

If you want msx games from old MSX-companies, then there must be MSX generation bosses in those companies. Maybe there are NEW bosses in KONAMI now... or as we all know, NEW games for NEW machines will sell BETTER than games for OLD machines... if you think I am wrong, then try to think about this: Atari 2600 was GREAT thing in seventies and in beginning of the eighties and VCS 2600 games sold well but years later, from the middle of the 80´s it was really sure which games sold better... games for OLD, mostly forgotten game consoles, or games for NEW, GREAT computers as Commodore 64 and Spectrum and MSX.....

Van The_Engineer

Master (177)

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05-08-2004, 22:55

I've made games that only costed a couple of thousand euro, which made a profit, with which I could buy a new fax.

Damn, mrRudi, in the good ol' MSX days, I met you boasting around about you receiving HFL5000,- (e2242) for making those beautiful pictures for a nice Dutch shooter.

You could have bought a lot of faxes for that money Tongue

On topic, mrRudi is right. None of the old game companies will release new content for the MSX.

Aiky is a nice exception, because you dare devils approached them about releasing your very good Guru Logic amateur game!
Do you think that Aiky would have realeased an MSX version if you had not presented your version?

Van J-War

Champion (413)

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05-08-2004, 23:21

exactly Smile
they would have never paid anyone to devello it, actualy you might earn money only on the sales if i guess well ?

Van anonymous

incognito ergo sum (116)

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05-08-2004, 23:44

On topic, mrRudi is right. None of the old game companies will release new content for the MSX.
B*S*
It's completely nonsense to claim such things as you simply have no facts to back that claim up.

Aiky is a nice exception, because you dare devils approached them about releasing your very good Guru Logic amateur game!
WRONG!!! Aiky was the one that did the contacting, not the other way around!

This has been explained often enough...

I guess it's a good sign that the sceptics/pessimists can no longer rely on facts to be pessimistic, they have to come up with bogus reasons now.

Van Fudeba

Expert (113)

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06-08-2004, 04:34

Man,

I'll be damn happy if you are right and soon we can see new "MSX1/MSX2/MSX2+/MSXTR/MSX Whatever"(*) games from big companies on sale.
Anyway, you may call me pessimist or whatever but if you look at the market you'll see that without a real study it's not possible to be conclusive about the result of recent actions taken by MSX(*) Association or Project EGG.
Whatever you say, I will not support Project EGG or anything that complains about one using an "illegal game copy" and presenting an "Japanese Only" selling site. They are under their legal right, but I think when we talk about "legal rights" we are just a step before falling.

Anyway, I will really believe this dream became reality when those companies start to release MSX(*) games in a regular basis. NEW games.

Meanwhile I'll be programming for MSX(*).
Even if cannot use the MSX(*) logo.
My best wishes.

(*) MSX(*) is a trademark of MSX Association.
(yes, this is a recursive remark Smile

Van Sonic_aka_T

Enlighted (4130)

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06-08-2004, 12:55

Meanwhile I'll be programming for MSX(*).
Even if cannot use the MSX(*) logo.
My best wishes.

(*) MSX(*) is a trademark of MSX Association.
(yes, this is a recursive remark Smile

Hmmm... That whole MSX logo thingy doesn't sit well with people in South America does it?!? Let me elaborate...

Nothing has really changed. The MSX logo has always been a trademark. All the MSX Association did was clearly state that you *CAN* use the logo on your products if you want to. They just ask for two simple things.

1) Don't change the logo. (So no distorting or green on yellow MSX logo's)
2) Mention that the trademark is owned by the MSX association.

I don't see the big problem. What has changed?!? Did you really think the MSX logo wasn't protected before? Because it was... Always has been. All the MSX Association did is clearly state that you are *allowed* to use it. Point 2 is just a matter of law by the way. If you use someone else's trademark you are obliged, by law, to mention the owner of the trademark. Ever looked on the side/bottom of a game for the PC on any of the consoles?

I dunno, I don't see the big deal...

Van anonymous

incognito ergo sum (116)

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06-08-2004, 13:50

Indeed... From 1983 and on it was always "MSX is a trademark of Microsoft Corporation" and in the early 90's it changed to "MSX is a trademark of ASCII Corporation". Now, it changed to "MSX is a trademark of MSX Association".

Nothing more, nothing less.

You are still allowed to use the logo, just as you were 20 years ago.

Whatever you say, I will not support Project EGG or anything that complains about one using an "illegal game copy" and presenting an "Japanese Only" selling site.
Project EGG is NOT COMPLAINING at all about "illegal game copy". Not even MRC is complaining, they are just against it. So if you don't want to support something, you maybe should not support MRC, because Project EGG does not say anything about illegal copying whatsoever.

Please get your facts straight.

Van Fudeba

Expert (113)

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06-08-2004, 18:39


1) Don't change the logo. (So no distorting or green on yellow MSX logo's)
2) Mention that the trademark is owned by the MSX association.
I dunno, I don't see the big deal...

Well, I had just made a joke over the ancient polemics about MSX logo. I don't really bother about the MSX logo (AFAIR, I had never used it anywhere). My intention is point out some differences between "We are the owners, we are comercial and you use as you want, but beware of our remarks" and "We love MSX, we are partners and we only would like to preserve MSX name and logo".
For the companies, everything is about making more money, and this is not different when we got companies talking about MSX. It is not about MSX love or something. This is not a bad thing (the main function of the companies is to gather profit, even if I think it should be produce quality products), but it's not a big deal too... It *can* be. There is a world between the "it can be" and the "it is".
I would not like to see those companies ripping off all softwares in the net, selling them for some time and, when profits lower even more... simply abandon everything. Again.
I am not saying this will happen. I just not like the possibility.This sort of act will place us back in 1995, when the MSX "internet scene" started.

I just think the entire thing is plain wrong. They should have started with new softwares for old versions os MSX (or emulator) while they develop the new machine. And *then* bother to reconquest the rights over old softwares, well packaged, in cartridges, disks, manuals, boxes... everything one real fan would like to see (and not the same stupid .ROM file we have been seeing for years in the internet).
New games would be a hell of a job from those companies... a *big* advertisement. *New* games would make everybody to support to protect those rights as everyone had done for games developed by sunrise and many others (Even I have lots of them, all original... and never copied them for anyone). And this would be made because people would see that the idea is *really* bring MSX back, and not only earn some extra bucks (almost) without effort.
When I talk about new hardware and software, I am not talking about PC-related software or hardware. I am talking about real MSX hardware, which I can plug into my MSX2+ and play music or whatever with it.

Maybe I am wrong, anyway. This is just *my opinion*.


Project EGG is NOT COMPLAINING at all about "illegal game copy". Not even MRC is complaining, they are just against it.

Companies do no "complain" about people breaking their copyrights. They are just against it... and then they sue you in the local court. But I am really not worried about it. I am not against sell old software and I am not advocate of piracy.
I just think there is not big deal and no reason to be happy, singing "hip hip hurra". Old companies selling old games in a terrible fashion (CDs with .ROMs? ROMs attached to emulators?) is just a reason to be sad, not to be happy. This kind of selling activitie cannot even be used to test the market, since the market has completly different reactions to old and new products.
In other words: I am not against people asking money for what they own. I am against people "squeezing" a comunity to gather as much money as possible and then leave it again, as they had once before.

*Again*, I can be wrong... but what is leading me to this is the way the things are being done.


So if you don't want to support something, you maybe should not support MRC, because Project EGG does not say anything about illegal copying whatsoever.

I will always visit the forums or the site, because I think running away does not make the situation any better.

Just a final question: is MRC supporting MSX users or MSX Association?
I believe the answer is *both*, but one thing always must be in first place.

Van dhau

Paragon (1570)

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06-08-2004, 19:40

There is a clear need for another MSX news portal and forum resource.

MRC is maintained really well by Snout, but the moderators impose an environment, which is much too oppressive and paranoid. This is probably OK for Netherlands, but doesn't make any sence to Russian, Spanish or Brazilian users.

A lot of really cool guys (Saeba, Ginseng, Ramones, SDSnatch) don't come here, because it's just too poluted with individuals who try to be "more Catholic then the Pope" in what they think is "right" for the "community".

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