Real Graphical OS for MSX

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Van wolf_

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26-07-2004, 14:58

Well, that's the same flawed logic that we saw when the first GUI's appeared. Yet you're using Windows, and so am I. Ofcourse _now_ this is because most software is made for Windows, but it wasn't always like that. Windows got as popular as it is, back in the time when it was nothing more than a shell for DOS, because people prefer the point & click interface to having to type commands all the time.

flawed logic or not.. I still use the DOSBOX daily, I even run good-ol' norton commander (the DOS version, not WinCommander Smile ) in a dosbox, and I run Impulse tracker by typing 'i' (which runs a batchfile), and 'iw' for impulse tracker in diskwriting mode. Also, I made an 'x' batchfile that simply does 'exit' . Naturally I've "ctrl+1" to go to the actual dosbox Smile In the win3.11 days I really didn't use it. Some nerd who worked in our musicstore told me it was great etc. and I should use it, but I simply came up with the same arguements again: 'it's not faster (slower!) than a batchfile form DOS' and 'I don't need to multitask' right now. It all depends on the scale of what you're doing:

atm I've these things in my taskbar:

Eudora
mIRC
1 Mozilla window with a few websites
Winamp
And in the systray I've Kazaa, MSN, a firewall and mouse/keyboard drivers.

I don't run internet at all on msx MSX, I don't play recreational music from my MSX and I don't need drivers on my MSX.

And this list is really all the multitasking I do. Sometimes Photosoup is amongst them, or Blitzplus, or Povray.. but again these are programs I don't *want to* use on my MSX Smile

If you really feel you should have some multitasking OS to switch to a calculator, then go to the Kijkshop, and get one for 2 euro Smile

The only thing MSX has never had is an environment in which other people can actually _make_ their applications work under that GUI.

And you expect ppl to do that ? I see *way* more future in crossdevelopment. I really can't understand why ppl are perhaps affraid of that kind of development. I can make a map-editor in 1 evening that has a good graphical interface. Try to do that on an MSX in the same time, with the same operational speed, n00b-proof interface and user-friendlyness in the end-product, so not some quick hacky app made for breathing cyborgs that read hex and binary by nature Smile

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you bill: $0.02 Smile

Van Sonic_aka_T

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26-07-2004, 15:10

I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT MULTITASKING!!!! Please, read the posts, I've said it like 13 times! I know an MSX cannot multitask. The only thing I am talking about is task switching, completely different thing. If you fail to see that an example like switching to a calculator doesn't mean that it will be the only use of task switching then I guess we're done here though.

I don't know who's afraid of cross development, and I don't know where you got this idea. I do all my work on my PC, I even write the code on an emulator. But I guess you've already decided how and what I think. So if you'd be so kind, please send me an e-mail with all the things I'll be doing tomorrow... Tongue

Van wolf_

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26-07-2004, 15:17

in all cases I was referring to task-switching ofcourse.. Smile I'm not used to use that term tho.. one of the effects of the 'multi-tasking marketing' from the 90's I guess..
I wasn't referring to anyone in particular, but I've seen a lot of useless stuff before, so it was meant to those ppz Smile

I don't see the point in some GUI enviroment on MSX when you can just use xdev for that.. hence I don't see the point in a GUI system on MSX. I'd say: let's stick to demos and games ..

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Van scratch_disk

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26-07-2004, 17:03

So, no body ever tired MultiZ98?

Van ro

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26-07-2004, 17:10

not me, never even heard of it. I'd like some screenshot, just for phun

Van [D-Tail]

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26-07-2004, 21:46

  • WiOS is a Windows styled GUI/OS which requires Gfx9000. There are very few applications for it. Check http://www.msx.ch/sunformsx/ for more on it, and, if you're a lucky Gfx9000 owner, download WiOS

WiOS has one (1) application (not including the FS driver, which is part of the WiOS system itself): Clock, by Erik Maas. It's a terribly great analoguous clock, which does nothing more but displaying the current time. What's it good for? WiOS has't got a taskbar with a nice clock in it.
Really: I believe in improving WiOS. At the moment, it's a hack piece of software which could use a lot of optimization, but when that's done, blarmy, I'd love it! Just like some GFX9K tool 'PicView'. Terrific! If more of those programs could be adapted to oneanother, what would we live in a great world then. Don't you agree?

Van karloch

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27-07-2004, 01:25

There is a common problem about creating a good GUI on MSX 2: the speed. Even the MSX-View is not fast enough to work with him instead of plain DOS 2. Ease was a great exception; for me it is the best MSX GUI and Office suit. It is a shame that it won't run on DOS 2...

Van scratch_disk

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27-07-2004, 10:31

Once some people here were complaining that they don't want to write applications in ASCII C for WiOS, now you got the chance to write in assembly for MultiZ98 in REL format (what's REL anyway?).

The strong feeling that MSX is just for games and demos is dominating most of us. What are you going to do when you are bored with same-style games you develop all the time? For me I would love to see more serious applications just built for MSX. I don't want ordinary games any more, while in the same time I really welocme any effort in creating programs that people can use for analysing and educating.

I used to work on one of those old apple Mac which ran at about 16mhz, and guess what, they were great. With decent B/W GUI, and applications (Still remeber Microsoft Word with scaleable fonts). In those old days I asked myself why not for MSX2. Of course I don't own the complete knowledge about the ins and outs of MSX, but it was a dream which never came true.

Van ro

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27-07-2004, 11:10

We're not all about "MSX is for games and demos", not at all. It's more of an EGO thing I quess. Every body wants to do it their own way. fine. no problem. MSX had some GUIs (chars or real gfx, no matter) but they shared one thing in common: they were a SHELL and not an O.S.
There's a great difference.

Now, programming for a (new) O.S. is a whole other matter. Take NMBIOS for example; my bet is spare ppl r gonna use it .. and even then, just for testing purpose. If Fly gets lucky, some ppl actually might use it to build their progs on.
Same goes for the f-kernel (our O.S.), although it has no shell. it's pure O.S. for assembly coders. There are several 3th party projects that have adopted the kernel for it's functions etc. (take the Umax games for example)
Still it's not widely used.

Today, 2004, no one's interested in just another *always poor* attempt to create some sort of windows clone or whatever. period. it's just another EGO thing; "look what I cooked up!" "yeah, yeah.. whatever..what does it DO?" "uhrm, nothing really.. atleast nothing new" "okay, cool. so euh it's just a waste of time coding the bitch, since it does nothing" "uhrm, yeah I quess...."

Tongue

Van scratch_disk

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27-07-2004, 11:40

For me it's more inferiority complex than an ego Smile

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