MSXdev'05 - Results

by pitpan on 02-01-2006, 23:43
Topic: MRC
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Almost a year ago, the third edition of MSXdev was launched by Pitpan. The success of 2004 (which resulted in 16 new MSX games) was even surpassed with no less than 21 new MSX1 games released. Now, Patriek Lesparre (GuyveR800), has completed his task as the juror of the challenge and the prize winners have been revealed.

The game that receives the honorary title of best MSXdev'05 game (and has been awarded with a Panasonic FS-A1-ST MSX turboR computer) is none other than The Cure. The prize for the most original game concept has been awarded to Parachuteless Joe. On the MSXdev'05 results page you can find the full results and comments of the jury.

Relevant link: MSXdev'05 - results

Comments (57)

By Sonic_aka_T

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02-01-2006, 23:50

{placeholder} Tongue

By mars2000you

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02-01-2006, 23:56

Nice decisions of the jury, with complete info about the criteria and the comments ! GuyveR800, excellent work ... and of course, also a great success for this contest with so many great talents ! Smile

Pitpan , it's time to launch the 2006 edition ! Cool

By Edwin

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03-01-2006, 00:01

Congrats XL2S! A well deserved win!

By snout

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03-01-2006, 00:03

Thanks go out to GuyveR800 for his kind words to the MSX Resource Center, his narrow self-fulfilled mind and his complete incapability of reconsidering and admitting his own mistakes. Ever heard of the concept of cooling down? Damn! Even your one year's (and more than well deserved) ban was removed months ago.

Just for the record... the decision to award the most original game concept with an MSX T-Shirt a developer was made just before it was announced that GuyveR800'd become the main juror, and the only reason why we postponed the announcement was exactly because Guyver has problems seeing MRC's actions for what they are, instead of actions-reactions against his personality. Too bad that even now, he has to use the success of the MSXdev challenge as a messageboard for his own frustrations. As said so many, many, many times before... if there's something on your mind, you know perfectly well where to contact us, Guyv.

Ah well... big time congratz go out to the prize winners of the challenge, you have deserved them! Too bad not every entry could win a prize Wink

By wolf_

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03-01-2006, 00:03

proficiat!

By Meits

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03-01-2006, 01:35

Guyv... words of wisdom... really...

By poke-1,170

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03-01-2006, 05:03

what a lot of fuzz and mudthrowin' over such a harmless li'll compudah !
Thought it was about the games,not about personal issues.
Anyway, great games indeed,and mostly addictive ones too !
Big up to all involved Smile

By BiFi

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03-01-2006, 07:15

Congratulations to all winners and contestants. This proves MSX is still very much alive.

By konamiman

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03-01-2006, 09:03

I want Universe Unknown with pause support and better collision detection!!

By ro

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03-01-2006, 09:12

Congrats to all winners and contestants. You've proved MSX to be very alive indead (even to a sceptic like me).
Robsy; thanx for the contest and efforts. note: Why did you allow Guyv to put up a text like that (which holds some agresive texts against MRC). It's about the contest, not personal grudges. aaight. (guyver, I know yer reading this filth. Why dude? it only proves you ARE that poor sap. You're only making a clown appearence.. tssss!)

Hope to see more games in future Smile (or was this a one time only... we'll c)

By viejo_archivero

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03-01-2006, 09:26

Congrats to the winners, the game deserves the price!. Hope to see new xl2s producions soon!. Congrats to all contestants too and to Patriek for such a detailed report about each aspect of the game. Nice work everyone!. See you at MSXdev'06! Big smile

By Imanok

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03-01-2006, 10:42

Congrats to the winners!! (I won my bet, btw!)

I like the way the way Patriek has rated and commented the games. That's the way programmers see the good and bad points of their creations and should encourage them to improve the results on their next creations. A constructive critic.

The comments about the stuff all we know, they're totally offtopic, IMHO.

By ro

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03-01-2006, 11:01

yes, some good constructive comments I've to agree.

By Manuel

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03-01-2006, 11:08

I'm very disappointed that Patriek used this totally unrelated MSX dev '05 contest jury report to once again express himself very aggressively towards MRC. This totally destroys the very positive thing of the MSX dev '05 contest IMO... Why can't he just separate things? The contest has nothing to do with politics or groups or people that seem to hate each other... What a low thing to do... Man, what a shame! Crying

This makes me truely very sad.
SadSadSadSadSadSadSadSadSadSadSadSadSadSadSadSadSadSadSadSad

By Meits

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03-01-2006, 12:29

a point more for the peepz he likes and a point less for the peepz he doesn't like.
Can't prove a thing, but it looks like it.

And for the remarks: It's so easy to be a prick behind a screen.

By tfh

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03-01-2006, 12:53

GuyveR800 went down to the next level. How low can someone go Sad This is really so pathetic to use this method to "get back" at MRC. I must say I also son't understand why the people behind MSXDEV '05 allowed this type of nonse on their site... It really gives the whole MSXDEV '05 a bad taste...

Thank God I am too stupid to make something creative, but I wouldn't want my creations to me mentioned in such a document...

By djh1697

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03-01-2006, 13:19

What is the problem accessing R7 of the PSG? It appears to be mentioned on some of the MSXdev'05 results?

By wolf_

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03-01-2006, 13:34

uh, that was mentioned in the juryreport ..

* Depending on your MSX model, writing illegal values to PSG register 7 (specifically bits 6 and 7) can cause a short-circuit in your MSX. This can cause anything from non-working joystick to a broken MSX.

By jltursan

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03-01-2006, 13:36

Great!, I like much the way the games are commented! and of course I like much more the games!
Congrats XL2S!! Big smile
..and Infinite, and Karoshi, and Patxanga, and Crappysoft, and... ... ...Wink

By jltursan

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03-01-2006, 13:46

...and about the PSG#7, seems that only if there're "active" devices conected the PSG could be damaged. Don't ask me about what's the meaning of active devices, the best information source about this behaviour is "The MSX Red Book" and it only says that...Tongue

By Manuel

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03-01-2006, 14:23

Meits: stop spreading FUD! I at least have no indication that the judgement was unfair...

By Meits

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03-01-2006, 14:28

I have no prove... Not searching for it either...
Resting my case, but did feel like mentioning my thoughts.

By ro

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03-01-2006, 14:29

* pakt de chips er maar weer eens bij, dit wordt nog leuk.

By tfh

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03-01-2006, 14:30

Idd.. Pilsje erbij (wel alcoholvrij nauurlijk op dit tijdstip Wink)

By ro

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03-01-2006, 14:33

buckler lul.. Tongue

By wolf_

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03-01-2006, 14:35

ro:

[00:08] * Wolf_ grabs the chair/chips/coke

2 Fuzz, 1 thought ^_^

By DarQ

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03-01-2006, 14:56

i think it's a fair no. 1! excellent game!

as for the ongoing soap... LAUGHTER @ patriek Big smileBig smileBig smile MUahahahaha

By viejo_archivero

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03-01-2006, 14:59

Creía que tanto las noticias como las reacciones debían estar en inglés, pero como veo que aquí cada uno hace lo que quiere, pues me apunto al carro: lo mejor del MSXdev'05 son los veintipico juegos, no los comentarios de GuyveR800 Wink.

By ro

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03-01-2006, 14:59

precies! (haa huu haa ?)

By wolf_

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03-01-2006, 15:04

babelfish:

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It thought that as much the news as the reactions had to be in English, but as I see that here each one does what wants, because I score at the car: the best thing of the MSXdev'05 is the veintipico games, not them commentaries of GuyveR800
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Well I'm glad you score at the car! Tongue

By pitpan

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03-01-2006, 15:27

All I can say is:

emag siht evol I.Crying

By mars2000you

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03-01-2006, 15:32

Me, I like classements ... and viejo_archivero too : he's converted the appreciations on each game into points on the Karoshi forum, and it gives the following classement :

Maximum points is 25 --- The Cure has 22 points ! Smile

22 (8,8/10) The Cure
19 (7,6/10) Universe: Unknown
19 (7,6/10) Parachuteless Joe
18 (7,2/10) Griel's Quest for the Sangraal
18 (7,2/10) Saimazoom
17 (6,8/10) Namake's Bridgedrome
16 (6,4/10) Caverns of Titan
15 (6,0/10) Cheating Wives
13 (5,2/10) Crazy Buggy
13 (5,2/10) Space Crussader
12 (4,8/10) Cosmic Battle
12 (4,8/10) Magical Stones
12 (4,8/10) The Mansion
11 (4,4/10) Manicomio
11 (4,4/10) Viking
10 (4/10) Blusy Shop
9 (3,6/10) Pair Logic
8 (3,2/10) Bomb Man
8 (3,2/10) Lode Run
6 (2,4/10) Snoopy Town
6 (2,4/10) Tragaperras

By Thom

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03-01-2006, 15:40

I thought Caverns of Titan is a bit underrated, although the game is way too difficult for me. Can't say the KANA-button annoys me as I don't have any. Do Japanese MSX-1s have one?

The Cure is the well-deserved winner, followed closely by Universe: Unknown and Caverns of Titan.

By mars2000you

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03-01-2006, 15:57

On Japanese and Korean machines, the KANA/HANGUL is actually the CODE key on European and Brazilian machines, but it works differently :

- CODE must be combined with another key to produce a character
- KANA must be pressed alone, it's a balance key between international characters and Kana or Hangul characters.

The KANA key exists also on Arabic and Russian machines, giving access to Arabic or Russian characters.

By viejo_archivero

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03-01-2006, 16:08

Wolf_: Well I'm glad you score at the car!
Tongue

By ro

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03-01-2006, 16:27

backseat lover I suppose? Big smile

By Manuel

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03-01-2006, 16:51

An idea for a next MSXdev challenge:

create an MSX2 game (any) with the same specs as Konami had: 128kB MegaROM, with or without SCC, 64k RAM, 64 or 128k VRAM.

By wolf_

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03-01-2006, 17:03

forget it Tongue robsy wanted to put the focus on msx1 games..

msx1/megarom/64k would be nice tho ..

By mars2000you

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03-01-2006, 17:11

Why not a MSX1 game, with some add-ons or improvements for MSX2 ... just as Konami did for some games ? Or two different versions of the same game ?

By jltursan

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03-01-2006, 17:20

Some games presented already use the MSX2 capabilities when detected...

By viejo_archivero

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03-01-2006, 17:21

My bet: MSX1 / MEGAROM / 16Kb RAM Tongue

By ARTRAG

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03-01-2006, 18:01

I have see most of the games and I like the GuyveR800's comments.
Actually I would like to see an msx2 competition next year....
Maybe you could limit the rom space at 32K or 64K also for msx2
in order to have doable projects...

If robsy likes msx1 so much, why not two competitions ?

By arnold_m

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03-01-2006, 18:06

For those who like statistics here are some more numbers, obtained using 'wc' (the word counting program, not a toilet).

GuyveR800s report contains 2274 words, 116 of which are devoted to his issues with the MRC.
Snouts reaction contains 184 words, 157 of which are devoted to his issues with GuyveR800.

For these word counts I have judged the texts on a paragraph by paragraph basis, and each paragraph containing offensive words against the other party is counted as fully devoted to issues.

Back to the topic, congratulations to the winners, and thumbs up to GuyveR800 for the comments about the games.

By wolf_

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03-01-2006, 18:42

My bet: MSX1 / MEGAROM / 16Kb RAM

Noooooo.. do you realize how crap 16kb is?? Really very little space to unpack things to.. small game-maps, small tunes (scc tunes would be a bit problematic!) etc.
Directly using all that stuff from ROM means you can't have all that compressed in ROM, meaning that a megarom really is a megarom, rather than a compressed 4megarom. Big smile

By DarQ

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03-01-2006, 18:46

@arnold_m
hahahahaha Smile

By snout

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03-01-2006, 18:54

arnold_m - I actually feel it's a mild reaction to someone who's been repeatedly calling me a fascist for over 18 months now. MRC had trouble with the MDI for expressions much milder than the one Guyver choses to use. I do see the point you're trying to make, but I'm not a man without emotions you know. The whole situation got me inches away from dropping MSX altogether multiple times, and I'm just totally fed up by GuyveR bringing it up time and time again. I'd hoped he had at least cooled down a little bit by now. I'm just hurt and disappointed, that's all. Speaking of stats tho, I think at least 99% of my contributions on the MRC have nothing to do with personal conflicts whatsoever :)

~nuff said, I hope.

As for MSXdev'06: I'd love to see a stretch of the rules indeed. It worked very well last time, so it seems only right to take a next step once again! :)

By GhostwriterP

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03-01-2006, 19:13

YEAH!!! Smile Big smile Tongue Cool LOL! Wink Question oO Eek! Shocked! Sad Crazy Crying Evil

I won!!! Smile

Thanks to you all and everyone who made this contest possible!

I could really use the prize for our Revenge of The Last Dragon project, so it will be in good hands.

A glimp from the future: I have already a new crazy idea for a next entry, I am not gonna tell what it
is just yet, but the test are looking promising Cool

By pitpan

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03-01-2006, 19:23

Please send me by private e-mail your full snail-mail address to arrange the Turbo-R ST shipment. It is an unmodified Turbo-R ST, so you will need a new power supply or an adapter (it requieres 100 V).

It is a fantastic computer. But use it to finish XL2S Boulder dash clone too! Big smile

By GhostwriterP

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03-01-2006, 19:53

Dash! ... a lot still need to be implemented ... some things could be really fun ... other things broke
past attempts ... anyway it is still on our big to do list.

By Gremlin

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04-01-2006, 04:05

You might want to take a look at the interesting discussion I found here...

By BiFi

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04-01-2006, 08:05

People really seem to forget so easily that over 95% of GuyveR800's contributions on MRC don't have anything to do with personal conflicts. Those statistics are traceable using the archive.

By ro

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04-01-2006, 09:33

to bad the discussion is ongoing, even after this time. Guyver's still upset, I can get into that. But taking a juryreport to vent this anger is even more than just lame. And Robsy (the contest master) not taking actions for this is strange imho. This is not the place to take personal grudges to the next level. It's a game compo, it's MSX and it's GOOD. So why did G had to shadow this GREAT initiative with nasty words. And why didn't Robsy act like he should? (it's never to late robsy!)

I think this is all a dirty stain on what supposed to be so cool. Fix the report {moderated}. Where's the Dynamic Duo when you need them. They could make a nice "demo" of this all. gheheh. Crazy

nuff said? don't think so, bring on the arms!

By ro

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04-01-2006, 09:33

..what's holding up is a mirror.

By ro

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04-01-2006, 09:36

@ snout, don't get a dude like G make you drop that good thing yer doing. There's ALWAYS a stupid fuck who has to piss on whatever one's doing. Just forget it, I do.
This temple has tombled over once to many.

By sjoerd

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04-01-2006, 12:30

GhostwriterP: I won!!!

tssk, you mean: WE won Tongue

By BiFi

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04-01-2006, 12:37

let the battle for the prize begin Wink

By Edwin

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04-01-2006, 19:15

I suggest a game development competition between the two of you. Tongue