TriloTracker 0.7.1

TriloTracker 0.7.1

by snout on 26-01-2014, 23:57
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Shortly after its initial public release, an updated version of TriloTracker has been released, addressing the following issues:

  • [FIX] Instrument is not updated when entering the same note with different instrument
  • [FIX] Fixed a bug in the SCC morph routine which could cause the program to crash

Relevant link: TriloTracker

Comments (28)

By KdL

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27-01-2014, 00:21

Like+10101! Big smile Big smile Big smile

By Huey

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27-01-2014, 09:32

And already new bug reports are in. So please if you encounter a bug please contact me.

By KdL

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27-01-2014, 13:51

Yesterday I've load a pair of XM... after the request of channels reposition
I've choose 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 (or 3 2 1 4 5 6 7 8) and the system has reboot.

I think could be a possible bug when decrease only because, for example, it was ok with 6 7 8 1 2 3 4 5

By Huey

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27-01-2014, 14:16

Interesting. Order should not make much difference. I'll look into it tonight.

By KdL

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27-01-2014, 23:13

yep! Smile2

By Imanok

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27-01-2014, 23:59

Amazing job, guys! Well done! Big smile

By hit9918

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28-01-2014, 10:49

I get "[ERROR]:F9ot enough free memory found".
On openmsx 8255. With 4 megs cartridge. And on bluemsx TurboR. How to use it.

By Huey

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28-01-2014, 11:33

@hit9918: It's a bug in the memory detection (too many free segments Wink). Should work on 512kb configurations without an issue. The bug is already fixed in the current version which is under development.

Intialisation of TT was one of the first things I coded for MSX-DOS. TT was initially meant as a quick tool for our own projects. So not much effort went into this. I am now re-coding it + adding secondary mapper support.

By msd

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28-01-2014, 13:08

@ hit9918: Make a ramdisk of 2048KB before you start. This bug has nothing to do with the mythical 4MB error, which according to some people causes lots of problems.

By hit9918

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28-01-2014, 13:17

Cranked up the 8255 mapper. Then had to make RAM disk smaller lol.
Now it runs, but silence.
Does it actualy slotsearch for scc.

By hit9918

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28-01-2014, 13:33

@msd, could you describe the bug more.
Without a RAMDISK, DOS2 memory allocation is buggy?
How to get a ramdisk in BASIC without booting diskette?

By msd

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28-01-2014, 13:47

No Huey's number of free pages check was wrong, so when you allocate some ram the number of free pages is lower and than his check said the amount of ram was okay. It was a simple bug he fixed already Wink

By hit9918

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28-01-2014, 14:02

and I was always typing letters into the left column.
now I notice that that column actualy is called "PSG".
I dont think it failed to find the PSG lol.
It runs over letters with silence. How to make a tone?

By anonymous

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28-01-2014, 14:55

hit9918 wrote:

How to make a tone?

Start by going to the instrument editor with [F2] and doing this:

Use the "T" key to toggle tone on/off
Use the "N" key to toggle noise on/off
Use "0" to "F" keys (hex) to set a volume

Now you can get a very standard tone out of the PSG.

More info on the instrument editor here:
http://trilobyte-msx.com/TriloTracker/index.php/Instrument_e...

You could also, while in the instrument editor, go to the instrument filedialog with [F5] and select
"Load Instr. set".
In the folder "INSTR" is a ready to use instrument set called "MBM_CONV.IS".
!BUT! it is strongly advised to experiment with the instrument editor yourself in order to learn and understand the philosophy and mechanics behind it all.

By hit9918

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28-01-2014, 14:54

I found file menu and loaded some song.
Now whole thing looks different. It finds all scc. Like plug nemesis after beep.

@Johnhassink, I got that far, finaly got a tone out of it. Now no more can get it off Smile
Cant make a new ADSR line, is that missing in the manual?

By anonymous

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29-01-2014, 03:57

New line: [CTRL] + "L" and then set length of macro with left and right cursors

"R" key = set loop position
(you can also use [CTRL] + "R" and left/right cursors)

What do you mean exactly with that you can't get the tone off?
If you mean in the song, that's the -R- (rest) command, and you input it with the "A" key.

By hit9918

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28-01-2014, 15:04

Another thing that runs my head is SCC emulation.
The OR bug, does doing an OR of the samples not sound closer to real SCC? Was it ever tried in emu?

By Manuel

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29-01-2014, 12:29

see https://sourceforge.net/p/openmsx/mailman/openmsx-devel/ (Sean Young is/was working on emulating the channel 4/5 bug, if that's what you meant.)

By hit9918

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29-01-2014, 16:01

No, I meant waveform. Can't just put any sample in there, sounds different on real thing.
It is said to be similar to sample byte OR the previous sample byte.

By Grauw

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29-01-2014, 16:41

@hit9918 Do you have a link to some thread that explains it, or could you elaborate? (perhaps not in this post)

I am very curious what this OR thing is about Smile.

By Grauw

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31-01-2014, 00:14

Thanks, I’ll read it.

Edit: Read. Hmm, I’ll have to do some experiments…

By snout

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31-01-2014, 08:59

Right, I quickly booted TriloTracker for the first time (yay!) and already have a few questions.

- In the instrument editor, (how) can I listen to the instrument I'm editing?
- Is it possible to clear the entire song I'm working on and start with a clean slate? If so, where?
- TriloTracker doesn't turn keyclick off. I know most people have this disabled by default, but still...

Couldn't find this out easily in the wiki/by randomly pressing buttons, so... euhm... thanks for the help! Smile

By Huey

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31-01-2014, 10:38

Quote:

- In the instrument editor, (how) can I listen to the instrument I'm editing?

TT has a keyjazz mode (just like FT2). You can switch it on/off using the space bar. When in keyjazz mode the background color will be red. It's no longer possible to edit but all input is directed to note audition.

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- Is it possible to clear the entire song I'm working on and start with a clean slate? If so, where?

Yes. Just go the the filedialog (F5) and select 'New Song'. It is the top most menu option.

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- TriloTracker doesn't turn keyclick off. I know most people have this disabled by default, but still...

Open the configuration menu (SHIFT+F5) and set keyclick to off.
Note: Configuration is far from complete. For now you can change; Keyboard layout, Keyclick and Speed equalization.

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Couldn't find this out easily in the wiki/by randomly pressing buttons, so... euhm... thanks for the help! Smile

There are 2 main pages at the moment that are relevant:
- The effect page: http://trilobyte-msx.com/TriloTracker/index.php/Effects
- The controls page: http://trilobyte-msx.com/TriloTracker/index.php/Controls

You should come pretty for with those 2. For the rest it will be a matter of playing around with the program or wait for the wiki to be updated.
As demand was high to deliver the tracker as-is. We decided to release without a finished wiki. There will be a more in-dept document, about using TT, available in the future.
As for updating the Wiki. I am currently working very hard on the next release which I hope to make available this weekend. So there is little time for me to add new stuff to the wiki.

If there are people who like to help on the wiki please let me know. All contributions, no matter how big or small, are welcome.

By snout

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31-01-2014, 10:00

Thanks for the clear and quick answers! Much appreciated.

By hit9918

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31-01-2014, 20:11

@Grauw,
maybe easiest is to just sample all possible combinations of sample transitions and then stuff into emu.
256x256 combinations. except it is much dependant on volume register or frequency.

By Latok

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01-02-2014, 13:40

Soooooooooo, how do you exit the program?

By Huey

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01-02-2014, 13:58

Latok wrote:

Soooooooooo, how do you exit the program?

Exit to DOS is available in the next version (v0.7.2). It will be available somewhere this weekend.