Why the MSX2 was so little known outside of Japan?

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By Takamichi

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17-12-2021, 10:50

litwr wrote:

One can only wonder how the Chinese Lasers got much more success in the USA than more advanced Japanese designs in the 80s.

I am also curious about those "Chinese Lasers". Can you elaborate? Google does not point me to any.

In case anyone is suspecting MSX2 was dominant in Japanese computer industry, it wasn't. PC9801 always (1982-1995) dominated the serious business applications.

By Samor

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17-12-2021, 11:57

I read that in pure sales/usages terms the MSX (and 2) lagged behing the big 3 companies (NEC, Sharp, Fujitsu) but what were the most popular (home/office) computers for gaming? Were PC88/98 also more popular with that because they were simply everywhere?

By syn

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17-12-2021, 11:59

nintendo for gaming

By jltursan

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17-12-2021, 13:57

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I am also curious about those "Chinese Lasers". Can you elaborate? Google does not point me to any.

He's probably talking about the VTech machines, the VZ/Laser series (VZ-300 for example).

By Samor

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17-12-2021, 14:18

syn wrote:

nintendo for gaming

yes, but I meant computers, not consoles.

By Takamichi

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17-12-2021, 15:32

jltursan wrote:
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I am also curious about those "Chinese Lasers". Can you elaborate? Google does not point me to any.

He's probably talking about the VTech machines, the VZ/Laser series (VZ-300 for example).

Now I understood. Hong Kong was not China back then though, and I could not imagine eastern bloc China exporting computer to west.

About MSX's share in the Japanese computer world, this page shows assumption of each PC production (I doubt some figures such as M5 rivaling X68000). Cumulative number of MSX production was immense but 220000 HB-F1XD + FS-A1F at the end of 1988 could've been accurate number of active MSXs.
As to the question which machine was the gaming "standard", multiplatform games such as Hydlide/Ys/Snatcher usually started from something else then were ported to MSX. Other way round such as Fray/Illusion City/Pink Sox was rare.
I personally think 7000 FS-A1GT production in the wiki is a very low ball.

By Pokun

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17-12-2021, 15:43

litwr wrote:

Thanks a lot for so interesting information. I have to confess I knew nothing about MSX software from the Netherlands. Sad This caused my wrong conclusion that the MSX2 models were not numerous in this country. However, were there any good games for the MSX2 created in Europe? And it is still very odd for me that the Netherlands' neighbors Germany and Belgium missed the MSX almost completely. The rich Nordic countries (Sweden, Denmark, Norway) somehow missed the MSX too.

Sweden was, much like USA dominated by Nintendo and Commodore (ZX Spectrum also had some success). My family didn't have a computer back in the day (we had a NES like most other Swedes at the time), but I know that MSX1 definitely had a presence in Sweden as it was always included in computer magazines. There were also Spectravideo enthusiasts that eventually turned into a small MSX community with their own magazine and newsletters. It seems to have died around the time MSX2 came along though, which is weird to me as MSX2 is so much better than MSX1.

In USA Microsoft seems to have deliberately stopped the MSX from being too popular but that's probably not the case in Scandinavia. Probably it's just that it's too small a market for having both Commodore and MSX selling large numbers at the same time like they did in Japan. I can't speak for Germany though which should have been a large enough market to have room for both. I have a feeling that video games and computers were just not as big in central Europe as in the north and south Europe at the time.

By Grauw

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17-12-2021, 16:25

Takamichi wrote:

I personally think 7000 FS-A1GT production in the wiki is a very low ball.

Yeah no way, they’re way too common to find to have been sold in such low numbers.

By Takamichi

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18-12-2021, 04:46

I forgot many Konami titles eg Metal Gear and Parodius originally started from MSX. Also I realized Japanese manufacturers didn't even consider exporting their post-MSX2 generation PCs eg X68000 and FM Towns from around 1985 onwards.
7000 GT makes sense if it referred to the initial batch = 1K* here.

By litwr

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22-12-2021, 21:05

Thanks a lot again. I have got a lot of new knowledge here.

Takamichi wrote:

I am also curious about those "Chinese Lasers". Can you elaborate? Google does not point me to any.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_128

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