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Par Bart

Paragon (1422)

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27-06-2007, 22:11

HansO, maybe you're right. But then again, how can useless posts be right? Big smile LOL

Par Edwin

Paragon (1182)

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27-06-2007, 22:31

The aggressive policies may be necessary for the content written by MRC members, but there's no reason to apply the same aggressiveness to the content written by members. In fact, you can write what you want in the policies, it still won't give you any more rights with the member contributed content than would have without them. I'm pretty sure that most of the stuff in the policies is utterly useless because they are about rights you already have or rights you cannot get that way.

Par Tanni

Hero (556)

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28-06-2007, 12:44

The term ''content'' is very general. There's content only showing the opinion of a member, and there's content like source code or information about programming/description languages, content about products, announcements, advertising, etc. All that should be treaded differently.

Par Sonic_aka_T

Enlighted (4130)

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30-06-2007, 22:43

@All: Actually, I wrote a big chunk of the policies and there's a reason they were drawn up the way they were: we get to do whatever the h00t we feel like. Basically the policies were written with a few things in mind.

1) If you behave like a wanker we get to ban your ass.
2) If we ban your ass because you're a wanker you don't get to delete your forum posts.
3) If you dislike us because we're a bunch of wankers you don't get to delete your forum posts.
4) If we ban your ass because you're a wanker you don't get to remove anything you submitted from the freeware downloads db.
5) If you dislike us because we're a bunch of wankers you don't get to remove anything you submitted from the freeware downloads db.

Well, basically, once you submit something to MRC it stays on MRC, even if you very much dislike us.

The real reason for this is that MRC should be a portal for MSX users. It should not be a staging area for all kinds of MSX feuds. The fact that you think we're a bunch of idiots does not mean that other people (who may not even know we're idiots) don't want to download your demo/game/song/whathaveyou anymore.

Of course we still get to delete any forum-posts we don't like. How unfair!!! LOL!

Par HansO

Paladin (672)

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01-07-2007, 09:41

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Of course we still get to delete any forum-posts we don't like. How unfair!!! LOL!

Funny, the world consists of idiots (the MRC crew) and wankers (the rest of the world) in need of a ban of their ass.
Good to hear the MRC is not a platform for feuds in the MSX scene, cant remember indeed anything like that happening here.
LOL!

I am happy I am not the only one posting useless messages Tongue LOL!

Par Sonic_aka_T

Enlighted (4130)

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01-07-2007, 10:02

Funny, the world consists of idiots (the MRC crew) and wankers (the rest of the world) in need of a ban of their ass.I never said there's *just* those people. I'd say more than 90% of our visitors just come here to read up on MSX news and chat on the forums from time to time. People like them need never even bother to read the policies, they're probably smart enough to figure out what's allowed by using their common sense and have no desire to explore all which is not allowed.

And then of course, there's the group of wankers. People who are never happy and think they get to tell us what's wrong with our website and how we need to change. We basically ignore them, or tempt them with the occasional reply when we feel like having some fun...

No, this place is not a democracy. There are no elections, there's the occasional poll or feature-request thread... You don't get to decide what does and does not go on this website, but our dedicated team of volunteers who have spent hundreds of hours of their free time running, designing, maintaining, translating and even paying for this site are the ones who get to decide how we run this site.

nuff said.

Par wolf_

Ambassador_ (9903)

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01-07-2007, 10:23

All-in, the summary of all comes down to this quote:

I'd say more than 90% of our visitors just come here to read up on MSX news and chat on the forums from time to time. People like them need never even bother to read the policies, they're probably smart enough to figure out what's allowed by using their common sense and have no desire to explore all which is not allowed.

Par HansO

Paladin (672)

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01-07-2007, 11:27

All-in, the summary of all comes down to this quote:

I'd say more than 90% of our visitors just come here to read up on MSX news and chat on the forums from time to time. People like them need never even bother to read the policies, they're probably smart enough to figure out what's allowed by using their common sense and have no desire to explore all which is not allowed.

And so a polite discussion about the liberties the MRC reserves with submitted content has turned into a discussion about wankers and idiots. Hundreds of hours of volunteer work and even paying for that (you are not the only one doing that, there are many sites devoted to MSX requring money and devotion), arguments that have nothing to do with the discussion on policies and do not justify the liberties with rights on the content submitted. On my sites I recognize the rights of myself and content submitters with the Creative Commons license. And that license does not allow what you reserve with the MRC policies.

they're probably smart enough to figure out what's allowed by using their common sense and have no desire to ex
plore all which is not allowed.

Come on guys, this not a way to end a discussion (nuf said ...) by putting those 10% who do read policies and think and ask about it, in the category wankers and people who desire to explore what is not allowed.
When one reads the policies to know what the MRC will do with content submitted, one is checking what one and the MRC is allowed to do, and not by definition to explore the bad things.

Some do, I know. And as usual, the good suffer from the deeds of the bad.
My summary: the policies are for the bad, so the policies are bad Smile

Par snout

Ascended (15184)

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01-07-2007, 11:47

HansO: with policies the good never suffer from the deeds of the bad, as the policies are only there for the bad and not for the good. Policies are merely there in case of conflict. Given that, indeed much against our liking, MRC has often been a staging area for all kinds of MSX feuds which rather frequently ended up in one or more persons trying or hinting to pursue a legal battle in order to damage MRC and its contents. Our policies are an attempt to do something about that, because we care about our contents and the 90% of people who would like to read them. Just make sure you remain part of the "90%" mentioned above and the policies will never bother you.

Par tfh

Prophet (2999)

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01-07-2007, 15:38

In the end it doesn't really matter that much. There is (at least) one "unlawfull" point in the policy which renders the policy quite useless Wink And besides that, even without a policy, MRC has the right to ban people and just "do what they damn well please". It's their site, and that's it Smile Use it if you like... and if you don't, please feel free to set up your own one Smile Smile
And for the rest, I don't see any lawsuits comming here in this MSX-land, although GuyveR800 threatens with it now and then (still waiting here!!!) So is it all really needed? Nah....
And even judges normally use common sence (if it would ever come down to that)

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