Head Over Heels - MSX2 remake finished

Par poke-1,170

Paragon (1763)

25-04-2016, 19:27

heels, not hells

Par Pencioner

Scribe (1461)

25-04-2016, 19:36

Any chance to buy a digital copy?

Par KdL

Paragon (1408)

25-04-2016, 20:13

a video please???

Par Pac

Guardian (6396)

25-04-2016, 20:16

poke-1,170 wrote:

heels, not hells

Hahaha, my fault. Already fixed thank you!

Par Pippo

Champion (508)

26-04-2016, 10:55

Dear Pac,
I'm interested in the digital english version.
Please, how can I purchase that?
I may pay the same cartridge price.
Thank you for your reply.

Par FX

Champion (264)

26-04-2016, 12:12

Sorry, but there are no plans to make a digital version.
Only cart, at least for now.
(Note that several features, like game save would be lost in digital format)
About the video, I hope upload it in the coming days so everyone can see the game in motion.
Thanks!
FX

Par Pencioner

Scribe (1461)

26-04-2016, 12:36

FX wrote:

Sorry, but there are no plans to make a digital version.
Only cart, at least for now.
(Note that several features, like game save would be lost in digital format)
About the video, I hope upload it in the coming days so everyone can see the game in motion.
Thanks!
FX

Thanks for explanation. Game save is worth the shipping fee and the waiting of cartridge to arrive IMO

Par mars2000you

Enlighted (5984)

26-04-2016, 12:54

Pencioner wrote:

Thanks for explanation. Game save is worth the shipping fee and the waiting of cartridge to arrive IMO

It's a false argument if you want to use a digital version in an emulator, as advanced emulators have CPU state save feature.

The only real argument behind this choice of only-cartridge release : use the real thing, not emulators. Only for 10% of the MSX community.

So, I'll ignore this game. Very easy here because I dislike isometric games. But there are fans of this kind of game, and some of them will regret that a digital version is not available for a reasonable price.

Par Pencioner

Scribe (1461)

26-04-2016, 12:58

I tried to use emulators some years ago but for me it's boring. No true look-n-feel. Actually, digital version flashed into MFR would do the trick. The pity is the save to disk is not available, only into some SRAM in the cartridge. I just hope shipping to Ukraine wouldn't be that much. We'll see

Par Ramones

Champion (264)

26-04-2016, 13:39

mars2000you wrote:

It's a false argument if you want to use a digital version in an emulator, as advanced emulators have CPU state save feature.

Mars ... you are my hero!

mars2000you wrote:

The only real argument behind this choice of only-cartridge release : use the real thing, not emulators. Only for 10% of the MSX community.

Mark this day in the calendar: I agree with you. Only 10% of "users" are real users, sadly. You are no-user, remember. You are a PC user.

mars2000you wrote:

So, I'll ignore this game. Very easy here because I dislike isometric games.

I'm 100% sure that if the game was free you would be drooling here.

mars2000you wrote:

But there are fans of this kind of game, and some of them will regret that a digital version is not available for a reasonable price.

What's reasonable price for you? 0€? 1€? Please... mars... Reasonable price for digital release would be 100€.

By the way: FX! Congraturations for the new release. Good job!

Par mars2000you

Enlighted (5984)

26-04-2016, 13:59

@Ramones: Example of reasonable price for digital version can be found in the system of different price between non-digital and digital versions by Kai Magazine, another Spanish coder. And I've bought all the 4 games released by this coder in digital version. But I guess these data are not in your memory.

Par Ramones

Champion (264)

26-04-2016, 14:43

mars2000you wrote:

@Ramones: Example of reasonable price for digital version can be found in the system of different price between non-digital and digital versions by Kai Magazine, another Spanish coder. And I've bought all the 4 games released by this coder in digital version. But I guess these data are not in your memory.

Sorry Mars... I forgot take my pils this morning...

Anyway... you are stating you would pay (buy) the game if the price is about 5-15€ (digital version), right?

Par mars2000you

Enlighted (5984)

26-04-2016, 15:00

I would even accept to buy a digital version of this game for 20€, even if it's not the kind of the game I like, because it's a way to support the MSX scene. Consider that several people buy a digital version and the coder can even reduce the price for the non-digital version !

But there's one coder who is so despising against emulator's users that I should not buy a digital version of his new game (if this version was available) and his name is Ramones.

Par Ramones

Champion (264)

26-04-2016, 15:27

mars2000you wrote:

I would even accept to buy a digital version of this game for 20€, even if it's not the kind of the game I like, because it's a way to support the MSX scene.

So you would pay a reasonable price for a game you don't like... Yes: that's very reasonable. "Support the system"... you are Mr. Cliche. And Mr. Lies. You only want a free version of the game. And for this reason you attack the development team.

mars2000you wrote:

I
Consider that several people buy a digital version and the coder can even reduce the price for the non-digital version !

Why? I think the product cost will be the same. I don't think the producer/publish lower the price because people buy digital version.

mars2000you wrote:

I
But there's one coder who is so despising against emulator's users that I should not buy a digital version of his new game (if this version was available) and his name is Ramones.

Why pay for a digital version of my game if you can get free? Did you take your pills, mars? Remember, you can get my games free even when the games was still on sale.

Anyway... I'm afraid Mr. Ramones does not want his games to run under emulation. And, by the way, Mr. Ramones no longer codes MSX because of... reasons...

Please, Mars. If you say:

mars2000you wrote:

So, I'll ignore this game. Very easy here because I dislike isometric games.

Then, shut up your mouth and leave the thread, the MSX users and developer teams.

Par Pippo

Champion (508)

26-04-2016, 15:27

I would be very happy for a digital version....
....and many others of the Community, I think.

Par mars2000you

Enlighted (5984)

26-04-2016, 15:38

Ramones wrote:

you are Mr. Cliche. And Mr. Lies. You only want a free version of the game. And for this reason you attack the development team.

Another evidence of your despising attitude. Ask to Kai Magazine if I have bought or no his 4 games !

All the rest of your answer is only despising attitude, even against all the other MSX coders. Ah, I had forgotten you are God !

Par Ramones

Champion (264)

26-04-2016, 16:01

mars2000you wrote:

All the rest of your answer is only despising attitude, even against all the other MSX coders. Ah, I had forgotten you are God !

if I'm the "god", then you are... the bad or the ugly? xDDD

(sorry, I think only spanish people can understand this joke)

Well.. arguing with a wall is waste time, and lack of respect to the real thread new, the release of a remake of HoH. End. I apologize to the users. (I can't avoid irritate Mars)

Par iamweasel2

Paladin (685)

26-04-2016, 16:03

Well, I would buy a digital version. Although I have 2 MSX machines, I really prefer to play using emulators (when I have time to do it, which almost never happens these days). I was one of msx users who bought Life On Mars digital version, and it is really nice to use reverse feature when I make a mistake (What can I say, I became a cheater with age).

It doesn't seem reasonable (to people like me who lives in Brazil at least) to pay for a cartridge, wait months to receive it (*IF* I receive it, our postal office can damage / loose the product and our customs can simply use many ways to deny me the right to receive my cartridge), pay abusive taxes, just to have to dump the cartridge and play the game using an emulator. When I bought Life On Mars was really simple. I payed using Paypal and received the game by e-mail. It was fast and cheap, with no headaches.

I understand the developers' wish that people buy a cartridge version (It is really nice to have a cartridge of a game you worked) and their concerns about piracy if they release a digital version. I only feel sorry that we can't have both ways (a cartridge and a digital copy).

Par hap

Paragon (2038)

26-04-2016, 16:04

no mars vs ramones mud wrestling under this line hopefully

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Nice looking remake

Par Akiguchi

Hero (620)

26-04-2016, 16:17

I'm buying the physical copy, thank you.

Par FiXato

Scribe (1710)

26-04-2016, 16:47

Quote:

Main title screen music composed for Playsoniq's SID soundchip (SCC and MSX-MUSIC versions in development).

I guess there won't be a way to update the physical media when the SCC and MSX-MUSIC versions are finished?

Par raulsantacruz

Hero (594)

26-04-2016, 23:17

I can't wait for the release of the remake HOH. Other excellent work from FX. Please, continue giving us your excellent work. Too many people are waiting for you!!! Don't pay attetion to anything else or anybody!!

Par FX

Champion (264)

26-04-2016, 23:42

FiXato wrote:

Quote:

Main title screen music composed for Playsoniq's SID soundchip (SCC and MSX-MUSIC versions in development).

I guess there won't be a way to update the physical media when the SCC and MSX-MUSIC versions are finished?

Yes, there's a way to update the cart if will be necessary, but the final product are ready to June (for meeting of Barcelona) and I hope to have them for that date.
There is all finished (only remain the SCC and FM initial music).
The pre-order are to calculate the units necessary and receive the pay at about one week to start the production (there are printing cost, assembly of the cart and case, etc...)
Thanks for your interest
FX

Par Ramones

Champion (264)

27-04-2016, 09:37

iamweasel2 wrote:

It doesn't seem reasonable (to people like me who lives in Brazil at least) to pay for a cartridge, wait months to receive it (*IF* I receive it, our postal office can damage / loose the product and our customs can simply use many ways to deny me the right to receive my cartridge), pay abusive taxes, just to have to dump the cartridge and play the game using an emulator.

Correos (spain postal service) has a service with insurance. If the shipment is lost or broken, Correos return the money back. But is a bit more expensive, of course.

iamweasel2 wrote:

When I bought Life On Mars was really simple. I payed using Paypal and received the game by e-mail. It was fast and cheap, with no headaches.

Yes. But this is not a Kai release and the author decided sell only physical copy. The question is... you would pay the same price (like said Pippo) for the digital copy?

Par Pippo

Champion (508)

27-04-2016, 13:14

Dear Ramones,
if you want, you can sell the digital version.
I think, the purchasers won't give the game to nobody.

Par Ramones

Champion (264)

27-04-2016, 14:20

Hi Pippo!

Pippo wrote:

Dear Ramones,
if you want, you can sell the digital version.

I can't. Is not my game. This is a FX decision.

Pippo wrote:

I think, the purchasers won't give the game to nobody.

I can not know that...

Par fernandomanuel.garciagarcia

Master (190)

27-04-2016, 17:31

Congratulations FX for your hard work!
I really do like this game and I really do want the cartridge release regardless different opinions. Just thinking of you are the author, the guy who spent plenty of hours front of your computer so I repect you decission about how you want to release it.
FX, keep up your outstanding work mate!

Par Oscar

Guardian (581)

27-04-2016, 21:37

First, congratulations to Fx and Guantxip for this another great release. I already reserved one! I think there is no reasonable prices for the work that projects like that needs.
And because I am a bit old and retro, I hate digital distributions, DLCs and things like this. I like the real thing, but I respect other people's prefrences, of course. If it is a matter or money, because MSX is not cheap at this moment (lots of releases and hardware... and if you like to collect...) I understand the people that can't afford physical copy but lots of new games are available to download. At the end, how to release a game is a developer's decision, respect that.
I don't like to see people are fighting when there is a release, be positive please!

Par valkyre

Hero (557)

27-04-2016, 23:42

Well said!

Par anonymous

incognito ergo sum (116)

29-04-2016, 17:12

Newspost updated with a video .

Par iamweasel2

Paladin (685)

28-04-2016, 18:23

Ramones wrote:

Correos (spain postal service) has a service with insurance. If the shipment is lost or broken, Correos return the money back. But is a bit more expensive, of course.

Brazilian postal office has insurance too. I use it always to avoid problems (which happens a lot here in Brazil), but I must say it doesn't feel right to pay more money to be covered in case they loose/damage your package. Aren't they supposed to take good care of any package without insurance? It seems like I'm paying twice for the same service.

Ramones wrote:

Yes. But this is not a Kai release and the author decided sell only physical copy. The question is... you would pay the same price (like said Pippo) for the digital copy?

Although it would seem that a digital copy should be a little cheaper (there's no money spent with the cartridge/manual/box etc), yes, I would pay the same price. But this discussion is pointless, since the author won't sell a digital copy. I respect their decision, so no Head Over Heels remake for me.

Par Pippo

Champion (508)

28-04-2016, 18:38

Well said!

Par iamweasel2

Paladin (685)

28-04-2016, 19:30

Anyway, I hope someone decides to do the same job with Simcity for ZX. It was ported to MSX by Daniel Caetano, and since it is not an action game, it can really benefit from a makeover, maybe it could be done using even screen 8. But even if it can't be done using screen 8, it would still look beautiful in screen 5 or 4.

Par mars2000you

Enlighted (5984)

28-04-2016, 19:40

Try Construction Craze : https://www.msx.org/downloads/games/simulation/construction-...

The map is also available on MRC : https://www.msx.org/downloads/construction-craze-map

Par Pippo

Champion (508)

28-04-2016, 20:37

Thank you very much to both of you.

Par Sander

Founder (1865)

29-04-2016, 11:20

Excellent news!

Quote:

Main title screen music composed for Playsoniq's SID soundchip

Count me in for a copy!

Par dracul

Master (156)

29-04-2016, 23:36

I'd like a copy too! How can I pre-order?

Par FX

Champion (264)

30-04-2016, 00:49

Hi dracul:
You can send me an mail to mi email's profile and inform you.
Thanks
FX

Par iamweasel2

Paladin (685)

30-04-2016, 05:08

Thanks Mars, I'll try Construction Craze.

Par Pippo

Champion (508)

30-04-2016, 06:40

Many thanks from me too.

Par sd_snatcher

Prophet (3471)

30-04-2016, 16:08

Congratulations, FX! It's always good to see the Spanish gems being remade for the MSX2. Keep them coming!

I already have your Batman for MSX2 and now I'll certainly get the HoH for MSX2.

Par wyrdwad

Paladin (931)

02-05-2016, 06:00

Man, I'd love to buy this, but I'm certainly not going to be able to make it to Barcelona! I assume copies will be sold internationally through the MSX Cartridge Shop too, though, no? And will Batman MSX2 ever be restocked there, or has that ship sailed completely at this point?

-Tom

Par QBee Sam

Master (253)

02-05-2016, 18:25

Simply fantastic, thank you very much for so impressive work!!!

Par Daemos

Paragon (1952)

02-05-2016, 19:01

So how much time do we have for the preorder? I need to wait for the end of the month.

Par FX

Champion (264)

04-05-2016, 22:10

Thanks to all for your support.
If there are someone that I have not sent mail, or has not arrived, I would appreciate to send me a mail (see my profile) and "fix it".
FX

Par FX

Champion (264)

07-05-2016, 13:58

I write as I said the list of interested to see if anyone is missing, or if someone has not arrived or have not seen the mail for payment.
If you do not see, I made a mistake, or you mail has arrived, please contact me, because not much time to put it into production remains.
(This list is only non Spanish people, so there is no confusion)
maurizio Pending
gianluca_lazzari Pending
Pencioner Paid
Frank Pending
Sander Pending
sdsnatcheralpha Pending
dracul Paid
Roby Paid

Thanks to all!!!

Par Lazzeri

Champion (270)

07-05-2016, 14:09

Oh, there´s also an english thread.

Since my english is better than my Spanish I´ll post here too. Sorry about the flood.

I´m interested in one copy. How should I proceed?

Thanks!

Par Lazzeri

Champion (270)

07-05-2016, 14:11

Oh and I second the Batman question. Are you planning a second run? I´d love to get one.

Par ren

Paragon (1871)

07-05-2016, 14:37

Very cool, looks great!
Any details on how the remake is done? By means of reverse engineering? +What about the gfx? Thx

Par LORe

Resident (34)

07-05-2016, 20:01

One HOH copy for me! If is possible also one batman copy ☺

Par journey

Hero (529)

13-05-2016, 08:53

FX wrote:

I write as I said the list of interested to see if anyone is missing, or if someone has not arrived or have not seen the mail for payment.
If you do not see, I made a mistake, or you mail has arrived, please contact me, because not much time to put it into production remains.
(This list is only non Spanish people, so there is no confusion)
maurizio Pending
gianluca_lazzari Pending
Pencioner Paid
Frank Pending
Sander Pending
sdsnatcheralpha Pending
dracul Paid
Roby Paid

Thanks to all!!!

gianluca_lazzari paid this morning!

Par FX

Champion (264)

13-05-2016, 10:09

All paid.
Thanks!

Par woody.cool

Supporter (9)

26-06-2016, 09:07

Where can I get a copy of this (on cart of course) and how much?
Head Over Heels is one of my favourite games of all time and I've been really excited for this being completed ever since I was shown this at a retro show here in the UK.
Also, MSX Cartridge Shop have sold out of Batman which I'd also like to get hold of.

Par valkyre

Hero (557)

26-06-2016, 09:40

@woody.cool - if you don't manage to get a copy I will bring mine to the next retro event that we do!

Par woody.cool

Supporter (9)

26-06-2016, 21:30

Cheer valkyre, I look forward to that.
Incidentally, I was at the Retro Computer Museum today and was really singing the praises of the MegaFlashROM carts that MSX Cartridge Shop have - maybe they may end up buying one.

Par Colemu

Hero (535)

27-06-2016, 05:30

Interested in both this and Batman too! Great work, some of my fav Speccy games!

Par Colemu

Hero (535)

28-06-2016, 15:06

woody.cool wrote:

Where can I get a copy of this (on cart of course) and how much?
Head Over Heels is one of my favourite games of all time and I've been really excited for this being completed ever since I was shown this at a retro show here in the UK.
Also, MSX Cartridge Shop have sold out of Batman which I'd also like to get hold of.

Where are these Retro shows? I may want to go to the next one, if it's not too far...

Par Pencioner

Scribe (1461)

09-04-2017, 23:27

Btw, as i was lucky to buy the very last musical memory mapper with the SID sound chip i tried the game with it too. While i tried it on Wavy70FD it has bugs (cracky distorted sound) and i seem it's kind of sound interference betweeen two audio chips when the sound is mixed. I'll try on MSX2 (not MSX2+) later when i have a time, to check how it sounds.

Par guantxip

Paragon (1600)

10-04-2017, 09:46

The Musical Memory Mapper has not a Sid chip (Commodore 64). The chip is a PSG like Coleco or Master System.

Only Playsoniq cartridge supports Sid chip.

Par Pencioner

Scribe (1461)

10-04-2017, 17:35

oh i got confused - was sure it is the same chip btw

Par ppeccin

Champion (376)

19-10-2017, 18:34

Hello!

Are there digital copies of this game in ROM format?
I would really love to test this and also the Batman remake on the WebMSX emulator, to check on the MSX2 capabilities.

Paulo

Par stefA

Rookie (27)

28-04-2018, 19:12

...just tried with my v9990 powergraph lite: I had a nice surprise on the second screen!

Par hamlet

Scribe (3669)

29-04-2018, 00:25

Nice find, stefA!

Par sdsnatcher73

Prophet (2234)

30-04-2018, 11:41

Does an msx cartridge slot with USB connector exist that works with emulators? I don’t think there is, would be Nice though... I like borg ‘real’, FPGA and emulated systems and all should be able to play real cartridges.

Par journey

Hero (529)

30-04-2018, 22:14

stefA wrote:

...just tried with my v9990 powergraph lite: I had a nice surprise on the second screen!

Same for BAT-MAN !!

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