TriloTracker v0.8 released

Par ARTRAG

Enlighted (6845)

25-02-2014, 07:34

Wave morphing is awesome

Par mesiasmsx

Prophet (3414)

25-02-2014, 22:02

Thanks!!

Go musicians go! No time for discus!

Par anonymous

incognito ergo sum (116)

26-02-2014, 12:02

Sooo... are people already getting a bit interested in the FM version as well, or is everyone celebrating their love of the SCC for the time being?

Par Daemos

Paragon (1964)

26-02-2014, 23:25

This stuff is awesome I am going to use this to make some samples on my MSX. SCC gives some pretty thick baselines. I am going to try some stuff with this.

Par Huey

Prophet (2687)

08-03-2014, 13:10

[update]
Here is a video of the work-in-progress ASM replayer for use in your own projects: http://youtu.be/PqZBM8xk_fA

It's not stable yet. You can hear that there still are some quirks.
The replayer uses its own music format which is generated form the original TMU file using a compiler (windows executable). SO I had to rewrite a lot of code.

Par anonymous

incognito ergo sum (116)

09-03-2014, 07:24

It's clear that no one gives a rat's ass about the FM version. Which is a good thing, because it means we have no time pressure at all to get it right.
Because no MSX composer ever dreamt of making Microcabin-like drums and effects, or using the FM voices to their full extent in combination with PSG, I'm sure...

Par Huey

Prophet (2687)

09-03-2014, 08:26

@John: Hahaha. That's is not true. I have had some private requests for the FM tracker. The user base of TT goes beyond the generic MSX scene. There is interest from chiptuners who want to play with the OPLL on authentic HW

Just let's finish that last few items on our list and get it released!

Par anonymous

incognito ergo sum (116)

09-03-2014, 09:58

If you say so, Huey. Let's do that stuff then. The MSX scene doesn't seem to be particularly interested. But you know I am. And it's good to know that chiptuners from other platforms want to play with the MSX FM, at least.

Par Jorito

Mr. Ambassadors (1782)

09-03-2014, 12:08

Personally I never liked the MSX-MUSIC a lot. I've always prefered SCC and MSX-AUDIO, so yeah, personally I like TT SCC better

Par anonymous

incognito ergo sum (116)

09-03-2014, 12:13

Yes, everyone is in love with the SCC. So if not anyone gives a flying fuck about FM, why would we bother to release it, then? Not for the MSX scene, anyway.

Par Latok

msx guru (3867)

09-03-2014, 12:15

Because FM is an important part of the msx legacy and defines all non konami software...

Par syn

Prophet (2096)

09-03-2014, 13:28

uuuh wot?

In general I prefer fmpac/music module over scc.... I actually started learning to use moonblaster numerous times for creating music for my game but I cant get used to its interface. I understand it but it feels awkward to use.
So I was really looking forward to TTFM release.

@john: I think there are more than enough people who are actually interested in FMpac/ttfm, its just that not everyone takes the time to post on forums.

Par anonymous

incognito ergo sum (116)

09-03-2014, 15:18

Perceived lack of interest in FM stems from the MSX1-mania of the last decade. Afterall, FM is not associated with MSX1...

BTW, to me it seems really weird to need a Windows executable to convert music to a playable format, when you've written the music editor yourself... Guyver5 worked this way out of necessity (no time to write a music editor back then), not because it's a good idea.

Par JohnHassink

Ambassador (5605)

10-03-2014, 08:19

I sounded a bit more cranky than was necessary. Sorry about that.

@ syn: That is good to hear!

@ GuyveR800: You're probably right. With the Windows executable, do you mean the tool to convert .txt (VT II) to .tmu (TT)? I think there was no room for that in the tracker itself, but I'm not 100% sure.

Par Huey

Prophet (2687)

10-03-2014, 08:54

John, Guyv is talking about the tool (C++ program) to create, optimized, music data to be used in own games/demo's.
The VTII converter is for your eyes only

The executable is even weirder as it outputs ASM code instead of binairy data.

Par syn

Prophet (2096)

10-03-2014, 22:53

Is there any particular reason you need to convert using an external tool? I thought it was just a temporary workaround because the tracker is still beta but now I get the impression it is intended as the permanent solution? Not that I mind much but I was just wondering.

Par Grauw

Ascended (10581)

11-03-2014, 01:37

I think the reason why people have so much interest in SCC is just because it sounds really good!

Additionally, SCC also has a more unique kind of sound than OPL FM, that’s another reason why I appreciate it. Maybe something else that comes into play is that, in the 90s we’ve been bombarded with FM-music, and it’s been fun, but it’s good to hear some SCC tunes now .

However, I do think that FM also has a lot of unused opportunities, especially when combined with software modulation. In Synthesix, atm I got a bit of boring patch definition and UI work that I need to do, but once I’ve gotten past that I’m looking forward to add FM support and play around with it.

Par JohnHassink

Ambassador (5605)

11-03-2014, 12:38

@ Grauw: That's hard to argue with. There's nothing like the SCC. So Synthesix development is going well?

Par Grauw

Ascended (10581)

11-03-2014, 12:56

It’s going . Atm a bit stuck in boring parts that are progressing slowly.

Par Huey

Prophet (2687)

18-05-2014, 14:38

Just an update;

The standalone replayer has almost reached the phase were we can release it as beta.
Still optimizations are needed.

Par ARTRAG

Enlighted (6845)

18-05-2014, 17:52

Par Huey

Prophet (2687)

21-10-2014, 13:53

Just a smull update. I started to share the code on git for those interested.

https://github.com/cornelisser/TriloTracker

Par syn

Prophet (2096)

21-10-2014, 14:17

Thank you for sharing with us! And good news on the replayer!

Par Grauw

Ascended (10581)

21-10-2014, 20:12

Very nice!

Par Manuel

Ascended (18791)

21-10-2014, 21:23

Great!

Par ARTRAG

Enlighted (6845)

21-10-2014, 22:46

I've been for a while following all the branches of replay_play: in replayer2RAM.asm
It is quite hard to extract a stand alone replayer...

Par Huey

Prophet (2687)

21-10-2014, 23:47

ARTRAG wrote:

I've been for a while following all the branches of replay_play: in replayer2RAM.asm
It is quite hard to extract a stand alone replayer...

I'll add current (WIP) code of the stand-alone replayer soon.

Par giangiacomo.zaffini

Champion (267)

22-10-2014, 01:06

Wonderful project indeed! Probably I can study this source code for ages!
Of course a stand alone light-weight player will be very appreciated!

Par Huey

Prophet (2687)

22-10-2014, 12:06

[Update]
Added the current state of the stand-alone replayer and the compiler tool: https://github.com/cornelisser/TriloTracker-Re-player
[/Update]

This mainly for the ones that would like to take a peek at the WIP replayer. It's not fully working yet.

Par ARTRAG

Enlighted (6845)

22-10-2014, 19:54

thanks, going to try..

Par Huey

Prophet (2687)

24-02-2015, 13:10

[shameless plug for Trilo tracker]

New awesome track Here

[/shameless plug for Trilo tracker]

Par Manuel

Ascended (18791)

24-02-2015, 18:10

Great! Although weird it needs the emulator to run at 104% speed...

Par syn

Prophet (2096)

24-02-2015, 20:06

the reason was explained elsewhere...

Par Manuel

Ascended (18791)

24-02-2015, 21:06

So, I probably misremember that the reason was the equal-speed-setting then. Don't want to look that up right now.

Par ARTRAG

Enlighted (6845)

24-02-2015, 21:33

I am polling periodically the git repository...

Par sinus

Expert (84)

28-02-2015, 22:37

@Huey: really nice track.
I also always thought soundwise SCC was much more interesting, with its wave morphing / macro tricks and alien-like envelopes. Talented composers like Kinuyo Yamashita made it obvious right from the begining with titles like gradius 2 and salamander which took much davantage of the chip. FM is okay but always disappointed me a bit because of its 'instrumental' approach which aims at mimicking real ones like the piano, but in a prety awkward manner. Opl4 is more convincing than Opl1 and Opll, but SCC is still one of a very special kind.

Trilotracker is brilliant, a tool to compete with Konami's artists for sure.

Par Huey

Prophet (2687)

01-03-2015, 16:06

@Sinus: Thanks for the compliments . The SCC sure does sound awesome. It has a really nice 'rough' sound to it.

I also agree that FM isn't that good compared to the SCC. But again perhaps an FM version of TriloTracker might solve some of that with it's features. I am still working on the FM version but hope to release it somewhere this year. It would be cool to compete with MicroCabin and Scaptrust too

Par Retrofan

Paragon (1264)

01-03-2015, 19:23

Yes, very cool tracker! Maybe you even can add C64 SID used in PlaySoniq? Also sounds 'rough' B-)

Par Huey

Prophet (2687)

04-03-2015, 13:54

ARTRAG wrote:

I am polling periodically the git repository...

Expect a major update on git tonight for the compiler and converter.

Par ARTRAG

Enlighted (6845)

05-03-2015, 23:25

The SD Snatcher musics ! The new replayer example sounds simply AMAZING!
Greetings!

Par ARTRAG

Enlighted (6845)

07-03-2015, 18:03

TT_compile is in Bliz Basic, is there also an exe version to test other songs?
Anyway the SCC replayer seems perfect, what is missing now?

Par Huey

Prophet (2687)

07-03-2015, 20:27

@Artrag: Check the release: https://github.com/cornelisser/TriloTracker-Re-player/releases

The executable is there. ;)

As far as I hear there is a bug in some of the slides.

Par ARTRAG

Enlighted (6845)

08-03-2015, 13:26

The new zipped exe converts correctly also with adrogynus tmu
Do you plan to include in the replayer also external SCC detection and support ?

In case I could try to include some code I used in uridium and try to send it using github

Par Huey

Prophet (2687)

09-03-2015, 11:49

ARTRAG wrote:

Do you plan to include in the replayer also external SCC detection and support ?

Yes. The existing detection of the tracker itself was plannen to be added.

Quote:

In case I could try to include some code I used in uridium and try to send it using github

If that code works better (detects Playsoniq and others that do not support register mirroring) please do!

Par ARTRAG

Enlighted (6845)

15-03-2015, 10:04

For now I'm using your code as it is. I only would add some fake pages and code to make the map guesser on bluemsx and openmsx work with your example. I think that the guesser expects 128K minimum for konami scc.
Now in order to make the sample rom work in those emulators
https://github.com/cornelisser/TriloTracker-Re-player/blob/m...
one has to manually select konami SCC mapper.

Par syn

Prophet (2096)

18-03-2015, 00:33

Which assembler are you using huey? I wanna give trilotracker fm a try

Par ARTRAG

Enlighted (6845)

18-03-2015, 06:17

Last Sjasm 0.42

Par Huey

Prophet (2687)

18-03-2015, 09:22

@Syn: You can also send me a mail. I'll send you the binairies. Less hassle.

Par Huey

Prophet (2687)

30-03-2015, 11:58

Some big improvements have been made to the stand alone re-player (and compiler).

We are now doing test after test. Expect a (new) release soon. (https://github.com/cornelisser/TriloTracker-Re-player)

Par Manuel

Ascended (18791)

30-03-2015, 16:51

Great to hear that! Keep it up!

Par Huey

Prophet (2687)

30-03-2015, 23:12

The awaited stand-alone re-player is available:

https://github.com/cornelisser/TriloTracker-Re-player/releas...
http://trilobyte-msx.com/TriloTracker/index.php/TT_Re-Player

Par ARTRAG

Enlighted (6845)

06-04-2015, 16:54

La Mulana main them on TT replayer for SCC (John Hassink's arrangement) Rom here
;)

Par Manuel

Ascended (18791)

06-04-2015, 23:21

That sounds pretty good! And that scroll and graphics too... are you seriously going for Uridium MSX2?

Par Manuel

Ascended (18791)

06-04-2015, 23:24

Huey: congratulations for this release! It must have been quite an educational exercise to implement all this Well done! I'm quite impressed!

Par ARTRAG

Enlighted (6845)

06-04-2015, 23:32

Hi Manuel, the answer is maybe. The spare cpu is scarce and the msx2 sprites very crappy. We will see what I get.
Anyway, ATM the rom works perfectly on openmsx under any msx 2 machine and upper, but on my real msx TR (FS-A1GT) I get a blank screen .... Only the music goes. Needless to say that in openmsx on FS-A1GT it works flawless.
Any idea of what could be wrong ? I can share with you my sources if needed.

Par ARTRAG

Enlighted (6845)

07-04-2015, 09:27

Is there anyone willing to try the rom on a plain msx2?

Par Huey

Prophet (2687)

07-04-2015, 20:42

Manuel wrote:

Huey: congratulations for this release! It must have been quite an educational exercise to implement all this Well done! I'm quite impressed!

Thanks,
Indeed I learned a lot from it. The stand alone replayer is still work in progress and I'm updating it weekly (if not daily) to fix issues. The tracker and replayer are a complete different thing as they run on different data to gain CPU time and RAM/ROM.

Par Grauw

Ascended (10581)

07-04-2015, 21:47

Those graphics look pretty rad! Almost forgot it was meant to demo the music .

Par ARTRAG

Enlighted (6845)

08-04-2015, 00:34

Grauw, have you had the chance to test the rom on real HW ? (I updated it)

Par Grauw

Ascended (10581)

08-04-2015, 21:48

@ARTRAG I pulled my NMS8245 out of storage to test, but it seems something’s wrong with the computer as it won’t boot :/.

On the turboR GT it works as you described.

Par Parn

Paladin (784)

15-06-2015, 16:31

I'm a bit late to the party (away from the scene for a few years), but I'd just like to leave my 2 cents: TriloTracker is, for me, the best music programming tool for MSX. It has an almost perfect mix of user friendliness and features. It's much easier to use than any other MSX tracker and its feature set rivals and sometimes surpass those of the best MML compilers.

That said, I must say I'm extremely interested in the FM version. I think despite the use of FM technology in other systems, there's something particular to the way programmers and composers used it in MSX that you can immediately recognize as MSX music (except maybe for Compile music in the SMS). I think it shows best when you use it together with the PSG, like Falcom and Micro Cabin did. And I'm sure this would be interesting for people outside the MSX scene, too.

Of course the Holy Grail #1 for me would be combining SCC and FM support in a single TriloTracker version. I suspect this may be impossible for memory or processing reasons, so I'm not holding my breath about it. But it doesn't hurt to ask: would it be possible?

And now for Holy Grail #2: an OPL4 music composition tool with an interface as friendly as TriloTracker's (supporting OPL3 too, of course). I wouldn't bet any money on this, though, looks to be a lot of work and the target audience doesn't seem too big (I would be a fan from day one, of course).

I have a few non-complicated suggestions too, but I have no idea what would be the proper way to contact the authors. I can't seem to find an email address at TriloTracker's page.

Par [WYZ]

Champion (447)

16-06-2015, 20:15

Nice to see you again, Parn. I used one of your modules for test TriloTracker

https://youtu.be/RuKbSP7akiE

Par Parn

Paladin (784)

16-06-2015, 21:11

Thanks, WYZ, that's awesome. I always get that fuzzy feeling when someone enjoys one of my works. I'd like to release something made with TriloTracker. It's been almost two decades since I last released anything for MSX... Unless we count Knightmare Gold, but then I used a PC tracker to make all tracks. =]

Par ARTRAG

Enlighted (6845)

18-06-2015, 08:35

I think that the last version of the replayer is not alligned to the last compiler released. ..

Par Huey

Prophet (2687)

18-06-2015, 12:01

Parn, thanks for the kind words on TT.

You can contact me by email (retrodevelopment -at- gmail -dot- com).

Par Parn

Paladin (784)

18-06-2015, 18:49

Thanks, Huey, will do.

Par syn

Prophet (2096)

11-07-2015, 14:05

Parn wrote:

ITriloTracker is, for me, the best music programming tool for MSX. It has an almost perfect mix of user friendliness and features. It's much easier to use than any other MSX tracker and its feature set rivals and sometimes surpass those of the best MML compilers.

I agree with this, I couldn't really get into any other trackers on msx (except FAC soundtracker like 25 years ago, which were my first steps in music making). Although with MML editors like MusicA you can have psg+scc+fmpac and have more freedom in song tempo, I personally prefer tracker interface over mml editing, so atm TT is the music editor for me. Ive been working on and off on a song in TTFM for a few weeks now, its amazingly fun.

I haven't tested the replayer yet, but I hope to use it in future projects when time comes

引用:

And now for Holy Grail #2: an OPL4 music composition tool with an interface as friendly as TriloTracker's (supporting OPL3 too, of course). I wouldn't bet any money on this, though, looks to be a lot of work and the target audience doesn't seem too big (I would be a fan from day one, of course).

There is Moonsound Music Studio by TNI that supports both FM and WAVE part of the opl4. Although its interface is not like TT, for me it was a breeze to get into compared to Moonblaster. This software is still in beta (like TT). I made an short incomplete tune last year but never shared/uploaded it, maybe ill do a youtube vid sometimes.

Par ARTRAG

Enlighted (6845)

24-02-2022, 09:10

On github.com there are new releases of the tracker, now supporting FM and SMS, and of the stand alone players

https://github.com/cornelisser/TriloTracker

Par ARTRAG

Enlighted (6845)

24-02-2022, 23:33

https://github.com/cornelisser/TriloTracker/releases/tag/0.11.9

Version 0.11.9 released