Which is the hardest space shoot´em up MSX game ever?

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By Akiguchi

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18-01-2013, 17:46

Meits wrote:

I remember not having any problems at all with Aleste 2 back in the days. Just a while ago I played it from CF after concating it and running it with Runit. Damn it was hard. Only thing different than in the early days (at least for the game to know) was that it was now running in DOS2... Peculiar...

I tested today what JohnHassink said about booting the game from different disks that results in different difficulty and he was right; when booting from the intro disk, the game is very hard (like you Meits too experienced), but when booting from disk 2 or 3, it becomes much easier. So, try to boot the game in Runit from disk two and you're good to go. Smile

By Creepy

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18-01-2013, 20:46

On my MSX when using runit with only an image of disk 2, the game is OK. However, when concatting all three disks together and using runit with the 2 key pressed (thus booting disk 2) the game is very, very hard. I still think it is some kind of copy protection.

By anonymous

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19-01-2013, 09:57

@ Creepy: Nope, it's not a copy protection. It was meant like that by the developers. Original disks will behave the same way.
A copy protection like that would likely prevent the 'thief' from getting any far in the game at all, like Tower of Gazzel does, by not letting you pass one of the first doors in the game, or how Xak II won't allow you to enter the church to get rid of your bad karma (meaning that you can never level up).

So, if Compile would have built an in-game copy protection like that, the first 'dam' would stay closed after destruction, and the game would not scroll further, or something like that. Smile

By Meits

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19-01-2013, 11:06

It's weird to read that when booting with disk 2 from within a concatted DSK/runit the game stays hard. That would mean the game is unplayable from mass storage devices because you can't change disk.

By JohnHassink

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19-01-2013, 12:11

Meits, just boot disk B or C with [SELECT] held down, then adjust the difficulty.

By Akiguchi

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19-01-2013, 13:56

Weird, at least for me the hardest game is booting from the (concanated) demo disk and when booting from the other two, it is a lot easier. And the holding down [SELECT) while booting just hangs the RUNIT. I also tested from the orginal disk two and the menu indeed works, so it seems that something is weird with RUNIT.

By Akiguchi

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19-01-2013, 14:06

Now with further testing it seems that the [SELECT] menu works only when booting from the last disk. So: RUNIT.COM /B2 ALESTE2.DSK and hold down [SELECT] and it works!

By Creepy

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19-01-2013, 14:24

Was that behaviour patched in the English translation? I used to have a working English version which didn't behave that way. The game had the same difficulty when booting from disk 1 or 2.

By JohnHassink

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19-01-2013, 15:02

Akiguchi wrote:

And the holding down [SELECT) while booting just hangs the RUNIT.

Okay, weird. I do not know what RUNIT is, but I suggest you don't use it then? LOL. Smile

By Akiguchi

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20-01-2013, 19:51

JohnHassink wrote:
Akiguchi wrote:

And the holding down [SELECT) while booting just hangs the RUNIT.

Okay, weird. I do not know what RUNIT is, but I suggest you don't use it then? LOL. Smile

As I have Sunrise CF, I don't have many options for disk emulating other than RUNIT or RMSX. Tongue

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