Nemesis 2 vs Salamander

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By pitpan

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05-02-2004, 20:47

I necesarily agree with Imanok: both design and coding make the difference. Good design and bad coding=bad gameplay with fancy graphics. And I think that NEMESIS 2 is clearly the best coded game for the MSX system (including in that also MSX2, MSX2+ and Turbo-R). If there were better shooters for higher generation computers, why is everybody always playing the poor little MSX1 games?
And about Space Manbow, it is a good game, coding is really good (smooth horizontal scroller for MSX2) but design is, in my opinion, not than good as NEMESIS 2.

Again, this is only OPINION, no facts.

By anonymous

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05-02-2004, 21:10

gameplay = design. coding is just following the design rules, anybody can do that...
The point is: even if you had full Nemesis 2 source code, you CANNOT make a good game with it without GOOD design. It's the DESIGN that makes the game, NOT the code.

and IMO aleste 2 is a better shooting game than nemesis 2.

By thinlizzy

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06-02-2004, 05:58

Why disassemble the engine? It's illegal and not original. I think it's better to rewrite the engine yourself with a bunch of similar features added with some new ones.

cloning and cloning again Sad

By thinlizzy

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06-02-2004, 06:00

gameplay = design. coding is just following the design rules, anybody can do that...
The point is: even if you had full Nemesis 2 source code, you CANNOT make a good game with it without GOOD design. It's the DESIGN that makes the game, NOT the code.

and IMO aleste 2 is a better shooting game than nemesis 2.

aleste 2 rules!!! compile redeemed from aleste 1, which is TOO MUCH EASY

By Sama

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06-02-2004, 08:02

Did you all know that there has been somebody who actually made an original MSX1 game really similar to the Nemesis series? If you didn't know better, you'd say it was made by Konami itself Big smile .

By BiFi

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06-02-2004, 08:10

Title? Company? URL to screenshots or something?

By W76NearDark

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06-02-2004, 10:48

Did you all know that there has been somebody who actually made an original MSX1 game really similar to the Nemesis series? If you didn't know better, you'd say it was made by Konami itself Big smile .

Do you mean Haradius?
naramura.kdn.ne.jp/msx3/mac/down/haradius.gif

But this is a MSX2 game...

By thinlizzy

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09-02-2004, 12:06

>>Did you all know that there has been somebody who actually made an original MSX1 game really similar to the Nemesis series? If you didn't know better, you'd say it was made by Konami itself Big smile .<<

Do you mean Haradius?

But this is a MSX2 game...

this game sucks!!!

there is many poor plagiarism of Nemesis/Gradius:

- Gladius (msx2 too. worst than Haradius)

- Hydefos (this one is an ordinary game. worth a play if you have nothing else to do)

By POISONIC

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09-02-2004, 16:59

Well noting beats konami!

Konami is the best!

and besides Retaliator SUCKS verry badly
and yes it would be nice if there came a new gradius game Smile
a mix of nemesis1,2,3&salamander

Retaliator was nice but it had bad grapics and the playability sucks

and it looked to much like space manbow (not a verry good story)

By POISONIC

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09-02-2004, 17:09

and i liked playing nemesis 3 too

they even used grapics from Gradius II gover no yaboo in the beginig of this good arcade game you start in a sun level and some end bosses are also the same like the fire bird in the end of level one.

and if have to choose i choose ehhhm its hard for a nemesis fan to choose the best game and the winner is:

1st NEMESIS 3 (i played it hunderds of times)
2nd NEMESIS 2 (because its easy to play)
3rd SALAMANDER(because of the best story in the nemesis saga ever)
4rd nemesis

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