Thoughts about an OS

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By Latok

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07-01-2003, 15:56

Sander, now you're underestimating the situation in Africa a bit, you know? Don't believe all the tv programs which only show people dying from starvation. Of course, most of Africa are developing countries, but it really isn't as bad as media sometimes tries to show you..

Believe me, I've been in countries as Tunesia, The Gambia, Kenya and Tanzania. I know what I'm talking about.

But your story in itself was damned funny to read!! Cheers for that! LOL! LOL!

By anonymous

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07-01-2003, 15:58

And btw, memory mapping is VERY cool. While programming the Z380 with its linear memory is heaven, in certain circumstances you really miss the possibilities memory mapping offers. It just allows you to do alot of things very fast.

Linear + mapping would be ideal.

By Latok

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07-01-2003, 16:01

ro, thanks for this personal reaction. It's indeed an addiction. I admit I'm addicted to MSX sincs 1985 now. But I like to be addicted to something. It is often better than the real world anyway...

Your comparison with cars is interesting. I'm going to think on that for a while.

By Latok

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07-01-2003, 16:03

GuyveR800, you're a programming guru, so if you say memory mapping has advantages, I believe you instantly. For me, it was pretty hard to get the hang of it. I have it now, but erhm.....It's not easy, I think.

By snout

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07-01-2003, 16:09

I think linear memory / memory mapped both have their advantages and disadvantages. But it seems to me linear memory is easier to learn. Or am I overlooking something?

What's important is that it should get much easier and faster to address the VDP in the new one-chipper (I don't call it a new MSX because I'm quite convinced it will not be an MSX, but a computer based on the MSX philosophy).

About the situation in Africa and other developing countries: a $100 computer enables a lot of developing countries - with the support of the richter countries out there - to step into a world of computers & internet, get access to information in their own language etc. etc. etc. This means that this one chipper could be a nice start for them to become economically succesfull (at last).

By sjoerd

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07-01-2003, 16:30

The memory will be a bit more complicated because the new msx will have a multitasking operating system. But because nobody will be programming assembler for it (everyone will use C++, C, BASIC, JAVA or whatever) this will be hidden for the programmer.

And for everyone wil dislikes Windows: Do you think the new MSX with Linux will feel like a MSX? What is the difference? The user just sees the interface. And at least Windows has an interface.

And for the BASIC: didn't ASCII make a SaturnBASIC for the Sega Saturn? As far as I know this looked very much like MSX BASIC.

I still like Windows XP. LOL!

Didn't Microsoft a great job on MSX-Dos? Let's how they downgrade Windows to create Windows msXP.

By snout

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07-01-2003, 16:35

any OS currently created by Microsoft will probably go directly against the MSX philosophy. Because then we'll need developer kits, and other expensice things in order to be able to create software on the computer. No way Microsoft is going to document an XP-based OS for free. As stated before, according to Nishi's plans the one-chipper will have 'three' layers

- Direct access (coding in ASM)

- A linux-based OS, aimed directly at the one-chipper (coding in C/PASCAL, run ported programs, multitasking)

- intentOS (probably with a BASIC)

thanks to mth (offtopic forum) I know the latest MacOSX does about the same. Major advantage is that a lot of modern software is nearly directly available for the one-chipper. Which makes it easier to switch, or get a one-chipper next to your existing computers.

By sjoerd

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07-01-2003, 16:56

Microsoft programmed the MSX-BIOS, MSX-BASIC, MSX-DOS and so on. Why should anything they create for the new MSX go against the MSX philosophy?

I think I will program my own Windows XP-like Super OS on the new MSX. Tongue

Hoever, I am aware of the fact the decision is already made. I just don't think a Linux-based OS is that much fun. Why should I buy another computer when I already have 3 computers capable running Linux, and faster then the new MSX probably will.

There has to be some added value. And what are the graphics specs, sound specs? I know I, being the diehard MSX fan I am, can get excited with just a basicprompt, but when I show my friends what I am doing when I am not getting drunk some cutting edge 3d graphics would be nice.

And what is a CIEL3++?

what is IntentOS anyway?

By DarQ

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07-01-2003, 17:02

Please, XP sucks like hell with it fucking stop errors!

By anonymous

incognito ergo sum (116)

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07-01-2003, 17:10

Microsoft programmed the MSX-BIOS, MSX-BASIC, MSX-DOS and so on. Why should anything they create for the new MSX go against the MSX philosophy?

Because microsoft 20 years ago != microsoft today

The memory will be a bit more complicated because the new msx will have a multitasking operating system.

How will that be more complicated? With a common MMU with memory protection there is nothing complicated to it.

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But because nobody will be programming assembler for it (everyone will use C++, C, BASIC, JAVA or whatever) this will be hidden for the programmer.

The whole idea is it IS programmable in assembler. The ARM assembly language is very very nice to work with. And extremely powerful too!

And for everyone wil dislikes Windows: Do you think the new MSX with Linux will feel like a MSX? What is the difference? The user just sees the interface. And at least Windows has an interface.

MSX running Linux will not feel like MSX indeed, but everything around it will. And personally I don't think I will run that MSX in Linux alot!

Remember, a lot of MSX'ers never use (or used) MSX-DOS much at all!

Please try to move away from the PC concept of platform/OS coupling.

I still like Windows XP.

That's your perogative Smile

Personally I hate it, it makes me feel like I have no control over the computer whatsoever.

Didn't Microsoft a great job on MSX-Dos? Let's how they downgrade Windows to create Windows msXP.

No they didn't. Okay, for the time it was, but it was 20 years ago. Microsoft did NOTHING for MSX after the initial work.. And why would anybody intentionally give another market to microsoft so it can abuse its monopoly more and bully all of us with things like Paladdium?!

I think you need to get your lips off of Gates' butt Wink

MSX-DOS2, now that is a good, but not written by Microsoft Smile

And what is a CIEL3++?

what is IntentOS anyway?

STFW, ie. Google

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