MSX Revival: YES or NO

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By Bart

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05-01-2003, 17:26

The MSX community was doing just fine before this revival thing started. I have no use for an emulator that will only let me run a small set of MSX software.

The solution is easy. Just DON'T use MSX PLAYer.

MSX PLAYer is not intended to be for people like yourself. It's intended for people who like to click and play a game and not bother about what the MSX PLAYer is built from or what it costs or anything.

You are looking at it the totally wrong way. MSX Association is about creating a commercial MSX platform once again. And what is wrong with that? Maybe in the future you can be so lucky to have once of your own products licensed to run on MSX PLAYer as a commercial package. If you don't like that, then just keep using your regular emulator, and stop complaining about this commercial initiative.

If you insist on using a open source or GNU whatever emulator, that's your choice. No one will stop you from doing so.

By snout

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05-01-2003, 17:30

Not true. CD-writers can illegally copy many CDs without a problem. Yet stores are allowed sell them. It is the responsiblity of the users not to do illegal things.

MSX Association is not allowed to spread the MSX BIOS without paying licenses to Microsoft, and knowing Microsoft I'm quite sure they're not even allowed to release software that is able to run pirated Microsoft BIOS files.

There are legal BIOSes: the BIOS of MSX machines you own and C-BIOS. So it is possible to use an MSX emulator without breaking any laws.

I hope Boukichi will start developing C-BIOS again, as I see this as one of the best solutions for all MSX emulators.

Yes, that makes sense, but it does show their priorities.

In 2001 Nishi already stated that their priorities were not only to get MSX in the news again, but also to make money in order to be able to develop a decent one-chip computer.

Nishi did say that MSX PLAYer would be open sourced. But now it turns out that promise is not compatible with their business model. Maybe an example of different ideas of Nishi and MSX Association?

AS I stated before, MSX Association still would like to release a free version of MSXPLAYer in the future. As long as Microsoft is in the way (and that might as well be forever) we'll have to deal with it this way. These changes were announced in news posts on msx.org.

By snout

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05-01-2003, 17:30

I think the feelings against the MSX Revival are separated in many ways. For example

- The dislike against the logo policy on the website of the MSX Association. Although the trademark has been valid all along, and in essence nothing changes (MSX Association allows everyone to use the logo) many people did not like this policy

- MSX getting commercial again. MSX Association and ASCII and in the future perhaps even other magazines, websites, software houses and hardware developers are making money out of MSX again. Of course, this means that companies might even get interested to develop NEW software for MSX computers

- The feeling to be neglected by the MSX Associaton. As I stated before, the MSX Revivalists have tried to contact European and Brazilian MSX developers in an early stage of the revival. Later there were a few attempts as well. At that time, many people responded with a "MSX Revival?! Yeah right!!!" attitude, or did not respond at all. Things like did have obviously not contributed to the ammount of 'power' the MSX Community has on new developments.

All in all, many people have been complaining about companies dropping MSX ten years ago. I think it's strange that many people who were complaining about that are now angry because a few companies are - slowly - picking the MSX system up again.

By DarQ

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05-01-2003, 19:39

u keep talking about companies. isnt it just ascii and MSX-A ??

By Latok

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05-01-2003, 19:43

Of course it's not just ASCII and MSX Association. What about Shuwa System Corporation/BOTHEC who release that other MSX MAGAZINE? What about SoftMap which is hosting the EGG-system? What about the softwarehouses who agreed that their software is going to be sold via EGG or the cdroms together with the MSX magazines? Snout calls it a FEW, I would say it's becoming a rather LARGE amount of companies....Slowly, yes. Of course. But definitely not only ASCII and MSX Association.

By Sander

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06-01-2003, 00:38

Thanks for clearing that out Latok!

By Latok

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06-01-2003, 08:59

Anytime Tongue

By mth

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06-01-2003, 09:20

MSX Association is not allowed to spread the MSX BIOS without paying licenses to Microsoft,

That's understandable because Microsoft owns those copyrights.

and knowing Microsoft I'm quite sure they're not even allowed to release software that is able to run pirated Microsoft BIOS files.

This is speculation. Microsoft does not own any rights to the MSX PLAYer source. MSX Association has the rights over the part they wrote, Marat has the rights over the fMSX base they started with.

Besides, unlike many people think, Microsoft does not oppose open source in general. They oppose GPL, because that license does not allow them to use open source code in closed source products. Microsoft uses a lot of non-GPL open source code in their products, for example the BSD TCP/IP stack, libpng, the JPEG libraries etc. If you're using Internet Explorer, look at the "about" page, you'll see a couple of mentions of open source libraries there.

By the way, every emulator except MSX PLAYer can run both legal and illegal ROMs and software. Do you think they should be stopped?

>>There are legal BIOSes: the BIOS of MSX machines you own and C-BIOS. So it is possible to use an MSX emulator without breaking any laws.<<

I hope Boukichi will start developing C-BIOS again, as I see this as one of the best solutions for all MSX emulators.

I hope so as well. Especially now that MSX is becoming commercially interesting again, it is important to have a free alternative.

By snout

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18-01-2003, 19:41

Late reply on an important topic

By the way, every emulator except MSX PLAYer can run both legal and illegal ROMs and software. Do you think they should be stopped?

No I don't think so, but I think it is logical that a company who distributes an official emulator tries to prevent people from using illegal software/ROMS which could cost them money in the end. Piracy was one of the things that made Japanese software developers lose interest in the European market.

I know that a dutch MSX user group contacted MicroCabin in the early 90's, asking them if they could release their software in English as well. MicroCabin replied they were interested, but wanted to sell at least 200 copies. Despite of the enormous ammount of visitors to MSX fairs and the huge ammount of subscribers of MCM at the time, no one dared to take the risk, knowing that most people would just copy the English game and only few would buy it.

By DarQ

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18-01-2003, 19:55

sad

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