Hello from an MSX user in the UK

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By mxmy

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04-06-2018, 01:25

Wow, I was not expecting to have replies so soon XD!

@keith56: How do you find living in Japan? I've always wanted to go (Japanese is my second language, actually...) but sadly I've never been (T-T); Hopefully doing graphics on my MSX1 won't be too bad, though I know I'll need to scale back my expectations, coming from a background of using mostly OpenGL for graphics (haha).

@ARTRAG: This will be the first time I've done any ASM (especially for the Z80), but I'm keen to learn Big smile C shouldn't be any problem for me as I've used C++ almost every day for the past few years. I'm grateful for all help though and I hope I'll be able to start producing stuff that the MSX community will enjoy. How is the MSX for handling text? I'm worried about how much space strings will take up in memory overall as I haven't seen all that many text focussed games for the MSX. I know I'll have effectively as much RAM as I need, but I wanna make programs to share. May well begin by porting one of my previous (and more simple) games...

@valkyre: WOW, Intruder looks really cool, but what is this V9990 Chip extension?! Play Expo looks like a blast! I've never been, but the thought of a bunch of MSX stuff to play is very, very enticing indeed!

@ren: Thanks for the links! MSXdev sounds like fun, I'll have to see how my schedule looks and how long it takes to get some decent results from coding my MSX. Having MSXdev is definitely inspiration to make some cool stuff, if I have enough time out from my main project (which is pretty intense at the moment). Does the community ever do jams for places like itch.io?

@CASDuino: *waves* (^-^)/ hii! You're so lucky! Back in the 80's I didn't even know what an MSX was U_U;

@PAC: I'd love to get an MSX2, though I've already laid down the cash for an MSX1. I'm not sure what the best way to go about playing an MSX2 in the UK would be as our voltage is 240V, compared to the European standard of 220V. Don't want to damage any precious hardware and we didn't get any native MSX2 (or above) units in the UK as far as I know. I'm also a little strapped or cash at the very moment (having bought an MSX1 and some peripherals), but I'm definitely interested in learning about how to use other units in the UK, so I can get an MSX2 or MSX2+. I'm hoping to get some friends involved, so having multiple machines is no problem.

@djh1697: Ah, I know Leicester quite well, though I haven't been there for a while. How long has the Retro computer museum been there?! I checked on a map and I'm like "I know that area!!". Next time I go to Leicester, I'll make a point of it to visit the museum! Also, will let you know in case you wanna meet up ^_^

By Grauw

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04-06-2018, 08:49

Hey, 240V works fine for any European MSX model.

By rderooy

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04-06-2018, 10:11

In addition, if you take out a multi meter, you may find that your actually have 230V and not 240.

By keith56

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04-06-2018, 15:23

according to this, UK is actually 230v now (I had heard that before), and I believe UK mains power is within spec if its within 10% of stated voltage...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mains_electricity_by_country

Japan's pretty good, but I've been here a while now, for the first two years everything seems exciting, but after it becomes what you're used to everyday, it just becomes 'meh whatever'... You say Japanese is your Second language? Have you been studying it as a hobby (like I did), or do you have Japanese relatives? I only ask, because to my knowledge the schools all teach french/german/Latin, so it's pretty rare!

Can I take the opportunity to shamelessly plug my Z80 assembly tutorials, in case you're looking to learn any ASM!
http://www.chibiakumas.com/z80/

The V9990 is basically an external graphics card, it's 9x the speed of the one built into the MSX2, but works almost the same... here's my game running on the V9990 (Skip 4 mins in if you just want gameplay!)
https://youtu.be/kf_Hv3w3-vk

By santiontanon

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04-06-2018, 19:34

@PAC and @Manuel (and without wanting to hijack the thread, haha): I know, I know. I just jump at any "Why MSX1, just go for MSX2" kind of comment, since I have a particular love for those old machines hahaha. But don't take my comment too seriously Smile

By mxmy

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05-06-2018, 02:35

More replies ahead!

@Gruaw that's really good to hear, I worry about this sort of thing a lot...

@rderooy I am so not sticking my multimeter into the mains, lol.

@keith56 I'm part Japanese, but I had to teach myself Sad been learning for a couple of decades, but it's hard without being immersed in the country and also kanji (why why why) is a huge barrier to become more advanced at Japanese. I saw your asm tutorials and I'm excited to learn more, especially once my Carnivore2 arrives! Currently brushing up on my basic skills and I'm like "WTF, variables are identified by their first two chars only?" && "I miss labels already"

@santiontanon MSX2 is very cool, but I also think MSX machines are wonderful too. A lack of limitations can really be the enemy of any artist. Also, OMG, I love my Sony HB-75B, it's a super nice piece of kit. Excellent design! Plus if the spectrum is enough to make people happy, why not an MSX1?

By keith56

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05-06-2018, 11:50

Allow me to also shamelessly plug my free Kanji/Japanese study game!!
http://www.benkyoustudio.com/
You're right about immersion being a problem, when I was in the UK I used to import a lot of japanese PSP/PS2 games, and manga to tide me over, it works better than you'd think, my reading ability is better than many people who've lived here longer than me (I've passed JLPT1)

Good luck with MSX Basic, I'll be honest, I totally ignored basic on everything except the CPC, I can't even remember the load command my game uses, so I'll be no use advising you on that one!

To be honest, while the MSX2 is a great bit of kit, I think you're right about the MSX1 - it's not about the specification of the hardware you're using, but how well you design your game within/around the limitations the system has - all these systems are seriously dated compared to anything remotely modern!

By mxmy

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05-06-2018, 21:15

Benkyou Studio looks cool, though it looks like it's only for windows? I don't use Windows very often, so it wouldn't be so helpful not being my main OS (as I'd want to use it daily for best results). I'm actually going to be making my own kanji/kana learning game at some point (possibly quite soon) once I've finished the game engine I'm building.

As for basic, I'm just learning it for A) nostalgia purposes and brushing up on my knowledge, B) get a better grip on how MSX hardware works & C) until I can get myself some DOS action using the Carnivore (when it arrives).

In the future I really hope I can get an MSX2, but for now I'm quite happy with using an MSX1. I think the only thing I really wish I had on the MSX1 is access to more colours (unless I'm mistaken and that's possible??).

By JohnHassink

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05-06-2018, 22:25

mxmy wrote:

I think the only thing I really wish I had on the MSX1 is access to more colours (unless I'm mistaken and that's possible??).

Only if you use a GFX9000 or one of its derivements.
Else I'm afraid it's:

By mxmy

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05-06-2018, 23:43

JohnHassink wrote:
mxmy wrote:

I think the only thing I really wish I had on the MSX1 is access to more colours (unless I'm mistaken and that's possible??).

Only if you use a GFX9000 or one of its derivements.

Then I guess otherwise it's just perfect in it's own little way.

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