Sunrise IDE Question

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By TheRogue

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01-09-2009, 06:33

I just received my Sunrise IDE interface from sunrise today, it's one of the old ones, the small ones, not the big ones with space for the RS-232 stuff. Anyway, I'm trying to format a hard disk and it's not working. I am using latest bios and latest tool versions. I autocreate a partition table, turn off all but a few partitions, then write the table to the disk and initialize the active partitions. When I reload the table from the disk, it shows that it's all as it should be. But when I reboot, the table corrupted and shows that it's not MSX-DOS and not active. I'm using a 60 GB Seagate hard disk, it's set to be limited to 32 gigs though. To the best of my understanding the hard disk should work, but just not be detected beyond 8 GB. Also, I've noticed I can't kill or make partitions, even when I follow the directions in the fdisk tools. Anybody know what's wrong, or can anyone even direct me to some documentation for the Sunrise Interface.

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By Manuel

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01-09-2009, 08:56

60GB? If you put all existing MSX software on it, it will probably not exceed 1GB...

http://faq.msxnet.org/ide.html

By TheRogue

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01-09-2009, 09:17

It was just a drive I had lying around, the smallest I had handy without going into my storage. It's not a big loss to me if most of it is unused. I've already seen the FAQ, it doesn't really tell much of anything that I didn't already know. I mean some real in depth documentation.

By djh1697

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01-09-2009, 12:40

Try using a smaller drive? I am sure you can find one for no money!! I have some 560Mb drives that i will just throw out - no use to anyone!!

By Leo

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01-09-2009, 15:03

you are not toying with fat16 at the same time ?
I remember having the same strange behaviour like i could not created partition of kill , and if i remember well it was due to the fact i was trying to use fat16 without /fat16 option on fdisk .

btw i read this on sunrise page :
Important notices:
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*When using an 'old' IDE interface ('MSX ATA-IDE interface #1.0 (C)1995 Henrik Gilvad') you have to make sure that it was hardwaremodified. Otherwise you might encounter all kinds of problems and even random loss of data. Read more about it in the IDEFIX.TXT file from September 24th 1999.

here :
http://www.msx.ch/sunformsx/download/idetxt/ide240.html

By TheRogue

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01-09-2009, 18:41

I asked Sunrise about the old problems with the interface before I bought it, and he got really upset that I brought up the old problems with the interface and assured me that I was getting a fully tested and functional interface, so I dunno. Today I'll dig out a smaller driver and try again.

By sunrise

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01-09-2009, 19:22

I remain with that point of view. If I had a little bit time this week I would explain how to let it work.
@Manuel, if you remember the demo with my 80GB on msx-1 -of which must be a photo of it in the pciture gallery of Nijmegen-
And besides that i made a 8GB cf card working under fat16 to play large mp3 songs
So the solution is also needed to play large files of mp3 songs that way since fat16 doesnot work with symbos

By Edwin

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01-09-2009, 22:30

I have had some strange things with the IDE CF as well. In that case it was a compatibility problem between the CF card and the interface, but in the process I did notice that existing data can mess with fdisk sometimes. So my advice would be to clear the first couple of MB on another computer and then try a FAT12 partition. If that works, the rest probably will too. Unless the disk is physically broken of course.

By dhau

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02-09-2009, 02:16

Hey buddy, I had some issues with SunRise ide, but all of them where related to using modern (i.e. post 1995) hard drives. Try finding an old drive that doesn't employ LBA mapping (i.e. under 1 gigabyte I think). Or even better use a 32 to 256MB CF cart with CF to IDE converter, those almost always work perfect. I ended up using a 32MB CF as boot/work disk, and another 2GB CF card as FAT16 big secondary drive.

By TheRogue

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02-09-2009, 02:48

I've got it working now, it was like you guys said, a problem with using a new drive. I got out an old 1.2 gig 2.5" hard disk and it works fine now, I have it formatted as 1 ~30MB FAT-12 partition, and the remainder of the disk FAT-16. The interface still says the drive is operating in LBA mode though, so I don't think that was the problem dhau, I think it was probably a bad hard disk. All in all I'd have to say I'm 100% satisfied with the product. Thanks alot Sunrise, I'd definitely buy from you in the future, you're awesome. By the way, in my previous post, I wasn't trying to say that I didn't believe you that the interface was in working order, I was saying to Leo that it wasn't an issue with the interface because you had already seen to it that it was working. Anyway, thanks again Sunrise. Now all I have to do is find some way to make the interface and hard disk internal to my Turbo-R ST Tongue

EDIT: I also have another question. Is there a reliable way to use .dsk images from the Sunrise IDE interface? Like can I put a bunch of disk images onto the MSX hard disk, and then use a program to mount the images as if they were real floppies? I know that this is possible to do on an 8 bit platform as many ide interfaces for other 8 bit machines offer similar functionality. For example, I own an Atari XEGS with an internal MyIDE interface installed, and a 6GB 2.5" hard disk connected to it. The Atari 8Bit only allows you to access a maximum of 8 16MB partitions, so the MyIDE interface has a feature where any space remaining on the hard disk after your regular Atari DOS partitions can be filled with disk images, and they can be mounted and booted from just like real floppies (but MUCH faster). So anyway, is there a similar feature for the Sunrise IDE? If not, what are the chances that such a thing would be developed?

By Jipe

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02-09-2009, 03:17

with a Turbo-R ST you can use HDDEMU the last version work with IDE

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