IDE Compact Flash Card from Sunrise

By BraK

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21-12-2004, 23:36

Hi everybody,

I'm looking for informations about this great (?) item.
I want to know if I could use it without problems on my Turbor GT with 1024Ko (internal) ?
And could I play *.rom files from it ?
I've already got a MegaSCSI (I know it looks strange to buy a IDE compact flash when you're the onwer of such a nice cartridge) but the concept of this Compact Card Cartridge seems to me really nice !! (no cables, no power supply, fast installation, easy transport...)

Thank to help me !!!

And merry Christmas !!!

Grtx from France ;-)))

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By Abi

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21-12-2004, 23:39

you can not buy any better equipment for your GT.
I got one myself and it works perfect on my ST, GT MSX2 Wink
no cables or extra powersupply needed (like with my Novaxis SCSI interface)
and you can make one FAT16 CFc card as slave so you kan easy put him into your PC cardreader and copy stuff you downloaded from MrC (demo's or anything else) put it back in your CF-reader (slave) and run it!!!
Awesome!!!

By BraK

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21-12-2004, 23:47

Do you play *.roms files with it ?? And *.eva & Moonsound files ?
And could you play games (like Eggbert or Pumpkin Adventures) and demos on it ??
I've bought from Sunrise an IDE cartridge for use my HDD & CD rom 5 years ago but I've got such problems with it than I prefer be sure this time.

Thank you for your fast reply !!!

By Abi

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22-12-2004, 10:27

moonsound files or demo's and HD installable games are no problem, rom files works also as fas as i can remember.
Most eva files are big, so you need to buy a bigger CF card, but that should not be the problem.
btw i just read At sunrise site a reaction of Nyrikki:

Eva player seems to refuse playing EVA files from CF cards. This is anyway easy to patch, below is instructions for few EVA Player versions:

Ver: 0.08 Offset #57A (#B7 -> #AF)
Ver: 0.09b Offset #57C (#B7 -> #AF)
Ver: 0.10 Offset #5C2 (#B7 -> #AF)

The problem it self is caused by the fact, that CF cards don't respond to ATA identify device command (#EC)
end of quote

i did not try a eva movie on my CF card but i think on a Turbo-R (or on MSX2) a CF card is as fast as a scsi/ide harddisk, so that must be ok.
CF cards works the same as an harddisk.
But look at the sunrise site ( http://www.msx.ch/sunformsx/ ) and look in the message board for other questions about the cf card, it helped me a lot!

By sunrise

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22-12-2004, 14:30

Brax , you can consider first to let us take a look of your old ide.
Porblems are there to be solved.
Use our latest updates etc.
The pumpkin serie can be set on hd, PA1, PAII, PAIII, TLW and the new upcoming Realms of adventure

By Samor

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31-12-2004, 11:49

only thing I can do is give my own experience so far with it....

computer it's used on: nms8250 modded to 2+ with 512kb ram, turbo-switch.
I don't have a moonsound, just fmpac and SCC.

ROM loaders on this system only work for the very old games (the non-megarom ones)... but there are different ones for Turbo-R which *might* give better results.

So, I was required to use many 256kb disk versions of games in case I wanted to play them from HD. That initially gave some problems, as I didn't know about the DOS2 memory differences. There's a tool that fixes that though, but I forgot the name..anyway, I use that, and it fixes MOST games.

I also use START.COM, a disk image loader, for disk images (like sd snatcher). There's a better one that works specifically with Turbo-R, though.

As it eats up some memory, programs that require 512kb (fortunately a minority)don't work here (if I want to play the MG2 english disk I have to take out the IDE cart and use a normal disk). But you have 1024kb, so that shouldn't be too much of a problem either.

Mentioned the 7mhz switch as I used it when trying MSX Windows on the HD to speed it up a little....

I don't know if this info is even useful at all, just telling you my experience with it.

By sunrise

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31-12-2004, 15:34

Samor, this the question of the ide or CF interface but caused by the requirements of romloaders

By Samor

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03-01-2005, 11:48

I know; I was just giving a description of my experience with the usability; of course, in that case there are other factors that come into play as well.

By NYYRIKKI

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03-01-2005, 15:32

I have used Sunrice IDE and Sunrice CF interface for a long time now. They both have worked just fine for me. They also use same firmware, so if you have IDE, update it to latest version and you get the idea, how CF interface works as well. About only difference is, that now you have quiet MSX and no power supplys/cables around the table:-)

Set up of IDE/CF interface is not the easyest thing in the world. Documentation is a bit messy and utils are not too user friendly, but once you have managed to get setup done and installed your OS & favourite utils, the problems are over.

With IDE I had some problems because of too old HD and bad signal quality in IDE bus (= random data loss) but selecting hardware carefully and avoiding over 40cm IDE cables, you should get rid of the problems. (Don't dig up the oldest hardware, you can find) With CF interface you don't have to mind about these kind of problems.

With ROM etc. files you still have the DOS2 only limitation.

By mfrissen

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16-01-2005, 01:55

Hi, just popping in to give my oppinion and experience with the sunrise IDE controller.

I got the normal ide controller , and a hd + cdrom drive connected to it (build in a C=1541 drive housing+a PC AT psu).

I can play any normal rom right of CD ! so download, burn and ready ...

Most Mega roms work fine too, some just dont want to work because i have no megaram.

I also use an modified philips nms 8250, so now its a msx 2+ with an 4 mb memory mapper and the latest version of firmware for my ide controller.

Some times i have to use the switch i made to turn the computer to an msx2 again in order to get a program/game running , but this is very rare.

About data loss is a mather of the hard drive it self i think, i use an very old seagate drive (520 mb) now with a cable of 60 cm + a sony 52x cd-rom drive.
No problemo's at all, but when i connect a cheap aOpen cd-rom drive it simply don't work very well , and indeed , random data loss.

Before i decided to connect a cd-rom drive too , my hd was build in the nms8250 its self. This gave no problems to the original PSU , i used it like this for over 2 years every day.
The only thing is that a hard drive geves more heat, so you have to build in a cooler too.
i left the coolers in place because the system life itself is longer when its stays cooler, and they make almost no sound.

By Samor

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18-01-2005, 09:13

HD in the 8250 itself? sounds convenient to me Smile

well, there's one more small thing, and that's that some HD utilities are TR-only. But that's not a problem of the (CF-)IDE, and neither a problem for the original poster, as he has one.