Use msx floppies on PC

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By msx4ever,com

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27-10-2020, 12:24

@Manuel If a ten year old wants, it can work with MSX basic like I did as a ten year old. Many did in the eighties. Working with openMSX is much harder, if not impossible for common peple and ten year olds. Lex already wrote... make catapult more easy.

Manuel wrote:
MSX has a lot of cartridges. On an emulator you have ROM files. So this doesn't make sense.
And as explained many times before, openMSX supports the most media of all MSX emulators: ROM cartridges (ROM images), disks (disk images), tapes (WAV and CAS tape images), laser discs (OGG video files with extra data), hard disks (hard disk images), SD cards (SD card images)...

An MSX mainly works with real floppy disks. Most people will have ten times what they have on a cassette tape or cartridge on a floppy disk. Floppy disks are by far the most important input for an MSX. It is so beautiful about RuMSX that you can also use it as if you were working on the MSX. Sometimes I want to close RuMSX and accidentally press the off button on the PC. That's how RuMSX really emulates the MSX.

Floppy disks are extremely important for an MSX and should be for an emulator.
Fortunately, RuMSX can do that
I now even have a PC with two diskette drives and I can emulate an NMS 8255 and an NMS 8280 with RuMSX, so with two diskette drives. Copy MSX diskettes with the PC
A ten year old can do this.
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An MSX also works for someone without special knowledge and an msx emulator should be able to do that too.

Manuel wrote
Only if you have tons of disks with menus that you can just boot or a pile of cartridges that just run. Not in any other case.

In conclusion: for your particular use case (start software from floppies), RuMSX is very suitable and other emulators are less suitable. Fine. Say that. but don't say the others aren't real MSX emulators. Then you just didn't understand the point of them, in my opinion.

You do not need tons of disks or a pile of cartridges. I sold many time 80 MSX diskettes, with on them one game or many games with a menu. All automatic bootable. That are 300 games. Sometimes 120 MSX diskettes with 500 games all autostart. That are not tons disks and cartridges are not needed at all.

It is not for my specific case, it is quite normal for MSX that you can start software from diskette. Not only start from disk, but also load and save, delete and copy to and from that disk. So don't pretend I have a strange desire to load software from a floppy, it's strange if you don't want to. And with a real MSX and RuMSX you can.

Especially with the newer MSX games you have a lot of games on multiple diskettes. After the first floppy with only the intro you have to put the second floppy in the drive and sometimes even after the third etc. RuMSX can also work with disk images and then it is possible, but that is cumbersome and no fun. Then I work with real floppy disks instead of images. Not only me, but a lot of people would think so. The retro msx is therefore best emulated on a retro pc with floppy drive.

By msx4ever,com

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27-10-2020, 12:26

Emanuel wrote:
Just a question though: how do you run ROM games from the floppies? Use cracks? How do you get the proper SCC sound on Konami games then? Or prevent slowdowns that some cracks have? How do you run large games like SD-Snatcher or Xak or Dragon Slayer VI? Run some cracks? Do you get the proper FM sound? How do you run original disks that have a copy protection? Do you get the proper MSX-AUDIO and MSX-MUSIC Moonblaster stereo in the proper quality?
I guess all these things are not part of your use case... Still, enjoy! I am not trying to let you use openMSX. I am just trying to make clear why things are as they are and what you are missing. Just keep using and promoting RuMSX, with keeping some respect for the other emulators. That would be so more friendly.

Yes like you I use cracks, so? I have a scc cartridge with switch.

I don't understand anything about this. Have I ever pretended not to use cracks? On the contrary openMSX does not want to use ROMs because they have copyright, just like the games to be played with it often. So I can turn this reaction around and ask these questions to Emanuel better. On youtube I have already put some games with RuMSX with the proper sound as emanuel calls it.

With RuMSX I can play games consisting of multiple diskettes, with SCC and FM. One floppy after another in the drive, as the game is intended. You can use original floppy disks without copying, just play on MSX or on PC with RuMSX with ssc and FM Me and most people do not pay attention to the propper quality and stereo, as long as it produces a nice sound, I and most people think . That is not my use case, but a general use case. Pretending I have strange wishes? I'm talking for the common man. RuMSX deserves a lot more respect than it gets.

mcolom wrote

openMSX is a piece of software which reproduces the behavior of hardware components (CPU, VDP, ...) which are found in MSX machines and thus is is able to emulate many specific MSX machines. And without any doubt, at this moment it's the best MSX emulator out there.
If the problem is that one wants to "switch on and play", I don't see why this is related to emulators. In that case the solution is simple: just use one of the many FPGA-based systems (or bare-metal) in the market, insert your cartridge and play. Or program with BASIC, or whatever. A real piece of hardware, like a real MSX machine, a new one.
But again, I don't see why this is related to the excelent emulators like openMSX and others which are of great value to the community.

Ikke...
MSX is "switch on and play" And you do not see how that is related to a MSX emulator? One wants? Everybody wants that!
Don't pretend I want something strange.
I want an ordinary person and even a ten-year-old to be able to do that, and MSX can and RuMSX can. Then why should an emulator not pursue that? No, a real piece of hardware with FPGA-based system, etc. is not necessary, a normal PC with floppy drive and RuMSX can do it too.
MSX is "switch on and play" And you do not see how that is related to a MSX emulator?

wolf wrote
However, no matter what, openMSX is an emulator. Not calling it an emulator just because a kid couldn't deal with it is like is like saying an 80 meter superyacht is not boat just because it has a computer with five LED-screens at the helm, while your own row boat has nothing but oars.

As for penguins on this website; I'm quite sure that has nothing to do with Linux, and all with Konami's tendency to add penguins to their MSX-games.

ikke
I have not called openMSX a lesser emulator because a ten year old or average citizen cannot work with it, but because you cannot put a floppy in the drive and then just start it with the reset or off button like with an MSX.
By the way, I hardly have any diskettes that do not start automatically.
An emulator that does not emulate the msx diskette drive is a lesser emulator for me and for ten year olds and ordinary people.
Also emulating the msx diskette drive is a lot better emulation and it is easier to use for ten year olds and the common man.

@FiXato
Wenn I download a rom file or a dsk file, I can click on it and it will start with RuMSX, but with openMSX that seems to be impossible. RuMSX and blueMSX can launch dsk and rom files!!!

I can't see that in your links.
That is all a lot more complicated and nothing for the ordinary Windows user.

By Robosoft

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27-10-2020, 12:43

You should go write a book. If someone wants to read your proza, they can buy it...

By msx4ever,com

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27-10-2020, 12:55

Unfortunately it turns out that RuMSX is really the only MSX emulator that can use MSX floppies?
Games on multiple floppies are also no problem, one after the other in the drive and gaming.
I now have a pc with two floppy drives and with RuMSX the perfect emulator of the Philips NMS 8255 and NMS 8280
Copy MSX diskettes to the PC with two physical drives.
Or with two emulations where one uses the A drive and the other the B drive. Both with real floppy disks and real floppy drives.
It seems that RuMSX is the only one that can do that.
Everything without configuration, immediately after installation of RuMSX
Also for a ten-year-old or for an average person without knowledge of ROMs or configurations or even MSX. My floppies all start automatically, so turn it on and start ... just like with MSX

Nice that there is openMSX for developers and testers and technicians, but ordinary people can do little with it. I can do something with it, but I don't have the time to delve into it. I don't believe there is even a manual with RuMSX. But it is hardly necessary either. Just look around and you will find almost everything.
Buy a cheap PC with internal drive(s) and they are even cheaper than a real MSX 1
Buy a cup of coffee for Lex and download RuMSX

By Wolverine_nl

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27-10-2020, 12:59

msx4ever,com wrote:

@FiXato
Wenn I download a rom file or a dsk file, I can click on it and it will start with RuMSX, but with openMSX that seems to be impossible. RuMSX and blueMSX can launch dsk and rom files!!!

I service more than 5000 ordinary Windows users at hospitals... 80 to 90 % know how to link extensions to other programs after I tell them this in max. 2 sentences...administrative people, people that work at nurse desks, regular users.

You needed more time to write those hundreds of words, than to have peace knowing you like RuMSX more than OpenMSX.
There are also regualr MSX users on this forum, MSX.org is for every MSX user out there and only you are writing so many words.

please read this carefully...

This is my only participation on this thread, because the starter of this thread is: or clearly a troll or clearly someone living inside their own world (no offense) or likes to discuss things that are very obvious in his/her mind and need acceptance from everyone else.

Good day and make peace, no flaming useless, waste of webspace discussions please. ;)
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Wolverine_nl :)

By eisbaer23

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27-10-2020, 12:59

Just a thought. Not everyone has a floppy drive anymore, or have access to a game in its physical form. So using disk or cart images might also be the only way to enjoy, discover or re-discover the MSX software catalog.
Btw, one of the aspects of emulation is preservation.
Using your precious disks is killing them. YOU MURDERER! Tongue

By wolf_

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27-10-2020, 13:01

msx4ever,com:

We can write another 100 pages about this, but let's keep things simple. You want to use a true diskdrive in your PC for true MSX emulation: use RuMSX. The End, let the credits roll!

What's your real gripe? I think it's that it would appear that all the attention goes to openMSX and little goes to RuMSX.

  • that may well be because many people around this place are developers of some kind, requiring all the extras that openMSX has to offer for those duties, so there's nothing you can do about that.
  • you can make all the attention you want by adding wiki's, submit RuMSX news, and open forum threads about RuMSX.

By msx4ever,com

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27-10-2020, 13:05

With Lex I mean Rudolf Lechleitner, but you know that.

By msx4ever,com

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27-10-2020, 13:09

@Robosoft
The good and real reader will know that more has been written about and towards me than my response.
Then my response is also great. The good and real reader will know that more has been written about and towards me than my response. Then my response is also great, but nothing compared to what is said to me.
They even swear and call me a troll. I am a grownup, so I can handle it. But they want to band me?

By msx4ever,com

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27-10-2020, 13:13

Wolverine_nl

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msx4ever,com wrote:
@FiXato
Wenn I download a rom file or a dsk file, I can click on it and it will start with RuMSX, but with openMSX that seems to be impossible. RuMSX and blueMSX can launch dsk and rom files!!!

I service more than 5000 ordinary Windows users at hospitals... 80 to 90 % know how to link extensions to other programs after I tell them this in max. 2 sentences...administrative people, people that work at nurse desks, regular users.

You can link rom or dsk to openMSX and that is easy to explain, but it doesn't work with openMSX
That was my point, but you didn't understand that. It should work and than it is easy to explain in 2 sentences, but with openMSX it doesn't work that way.

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