Use msx floppies on PC

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By msx4ever,com

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27-10-2020, 11:41

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I did. I do have dumped most of my computers.
Further more I ask you please to calm down and mind your words.
Thank you.

What words?
I did not swear and I do not call others troll and what others write trolling.
You may not like my opinion, but that is what a discussion is all about.

mars2000

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To all participants in this thread (except some specific person): don't feed the troll - I really don't understand the utility to answer such an annoying person.

I'm now called a troll and that's neat and I should be banned?
Another called what I write trolling, is that all they have to say for defense? Namecalling?
Swearing doesn't hurt!!!

By msx4ever,com

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27-10-2020, 11:44

Also according to Lex Lechz, openMSX and catapult can hardly be used for the normal user.

Maybe it's a good idea to spend some time on openMSX's usability or catapult instead of calling me a troll.
Surely it cannot be the intention that openMSX is only intended for specialists and developers?

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27-10-2020, 11:45

msx4ever,com: did you actually watch the video that fixato made and posted here, the other day?

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27-10-2020, 11:55

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msx4ever,com: I doubt you have a clear idea of what openMSX is. openMSX is a near perfect emulator and yet you try to tear that down. I don't understand your reasons.

I know what MSX is and what there is to emulate. I never tear down openMSX, but for common people it isn't usable, is that tearing down?
Even Lex Lechz calls openMSX and catapult difficult to use for ordinary people.
On an MSX diskettes are VERY important and an MSX emmulator must be able to emulate that too.
With RuMSX I can put one floppy after another in the floppy drive as if the PC is an MSX.
In my opinion, an MSX emulator that cannot do that is a much more mid-level emulator.
openMSX is likely to be of great value to developers and people who know Linux and Unix and can write code.
MSX is never intended for developers and linux and unix.
My reason is that msx.org should have more of an eye for RuMSX and maybe other emulators instead of just openMSX
My reason is that msx.org should have more of an eye for common people instead of specialists in programming and develloping.

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27-10-2020, 12:04

@Takamichi

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I called for attention of my old friend Lex Lechz because msx4ever,com might pay some respect and behave rationally but he didn't show respect to the RuMSX developer. That was annoying.
Windows crashing MSX disk's header is a serious problem. I destroyed Fray and F-nano2' diskettes and had to repair by copying the header from another disk of same game. It was me who asked Lex Lechz that Disk Manager should display warning before reading a disk, and early versions did.

How wrong can you be? If you had read a little more, you would know that I am arguing for more respect for RuMSX and its developer and even calling to buy coffee for using Disk Manager and RuMSX. The people here have to little respect for RuMSX and Disk Manager and only for openMSX, that is annoying. How wrong can you be? Lex should get a lot more coffee.

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27-10-2020, 12:06

msx4ever,com wrote:

My reason is that msx.org should have more of an eye for RuMSX and maybe other emulators instead of just openMSX

If there's news regarding RuMSX, there should be a newspost about it. If not: submit the news! Also, it's free to open a forum thread about RuMSX and talk all you want in it. But it's certainly true that many people around here are developers in some way, so they'd be more on the openMSX side of things. Nothing you can do about that, no?

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My reason is that msx.org should have more of an eye for common people instead of specialists in programming and develloping.

Well, there's a wiki that discusses all kinds of topics at beginner level (or at least, that's the idea, didn't check all articles myself). There's a forum with people helping out starters where they can. What more do you want?

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27-10-2020, 12:09

@Manuel
I have many thirty-year-old floppy disks or copies of them that work on all of my four msx computers. I have also been copying them for thirty years for family, acquaintances, friends and if I sold an MSX also for customers.
I've never heard from them that a floppy disk doesn't work for the files on it. In the menu on it, I take Sony and Philips into account. So they work on countless MSX machines and that for thirty years. If I now place a dsk on a floppy and it doesn't work on my four different MSX and only on PC, I delete it and look for a version that works on a real MSX
It should work like my hundreds of diskettes.

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You don't need to study. As explained (and also is in short explained on the openMSX website in the FAQ) you just have to copy the system ROM images to the right location and you can click the menu (or use Catapult, which is included with openMSX on Windows) to change machine to a model that supports disks.
I also said I agreed it's not very intuitive like this. But it doesn't mean you can't run disk (images) with openMSX.

When I write that you have to study to use openMSX, I obviously mean that in general. Not only me, but a ten-year-old or even an ordinary person has to study for openMSX to work.
Can it copy the system rom image to the correct location? No, that requires a solid study! Lex Lechz also argues for greater ease of use.
I never said that openMSX can't run disk (images) it can't use floppy disks like RuMSX and a real MSX

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27-10-2020, 12:11

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Wenn I download a rom file or a dsk file, I can click on it and it will start with RuMSX, but with openMSX that seems to be impossible. RuMSX and blueMSX can launch dsk and rom files!!!

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So can openMSX. Drop it on the openMSX Window, select it in Catapult, select it in the OSD menu, drop it on openMSX exe, whatever.

Drop it on the openMSX Window, select it in Catapult, select it in the OSD menu, drop it on openMSX exe

That is very different from clicking on it as is usual in Windows.
Most people find that annoying, as they run multiple emulators?
No, I don't know those people. Clicking and playing is what they want. It then opens with the favorite program. If you want to open it with another program then right click and choose another program ... blueMSX or RuMSX but if you choose openMSX ... nothing happens.

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27-10-2020, 12:14

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So, openMSX is NOT a MSX emulator, but openMSX is a collection of 150 emulators.
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openMSX and blueMSX and even RuMSX emulates different MSX machines. That's what we call an MSX emulator.

Yes, they emulate different MSX machines, but openMSX does not emulate MSX, but each MSX machine separately. RuMSX and BlueMSX are MSX emulators and openMSX is a collection of MSX machine emulators. For RuMSX and blueMSX I don't have to put the system rom of my MSX machine (s) somewhere as explained above. After downloading RuMSX I don't have to do anything and it works with floppies from all my four MSX computers on five PCs. That is very different from openMSX.

And even RuMSX?
This comes across as very derogatory, while RuMSX can use diskettes just like a real MSX. The proof is on youtube.
And even RuMSX ... that's an insult to RuMSX and Lex Lechz

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27-10-2020, 12:23

Manuel wrote:

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Getting started with openMSX has little to do with knowledge of the MSX It has more to do with technical knowledge about MSX computers, writing bat files. Working on DOS prompt

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openMSX is actually set up as much as possible as how real MSXes work. You emulate real MSXes. You put stuff in their emulated actual cartridge slots. Or in their actual disk drives. Depending on which model you emulate.

You put stuff in their emulated actual cartridge slots. Or in their actual disk drives. Depending on which model you emulate.

With RuMSX you put real diskettes, not images not in the emulated disk drive, but in the real disk drive. In their current disk drive? How?
A child can do that on a real MSX and With RuMSX, but with openMSX?
I wonder if you have a video of it, like I did with RuMSX.
Using MSX floppies on a PC is the least an MSX emulator should be able to do. RuMSX is the only real MSX emulator. Just like with a real MSX flop after flop in the disk drive and gaming. No disk images, but real diskettes. I have now a pc with two diskdrives and can emulate a MSX with two diskdrives. So, really emulate a NMS 8255 or NMS 8280 with real disks.

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An MSX works with cassettes and for years with diskettes, but openMSX cannot do anything with it.
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Wrong. as already explained many times.

Let me see a video on youtube that openMSX can, just like I did for RuMSX Isn't that easy to do?

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