Meridian - Progress update

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By snout

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18-04-2003, 15:56

the problem is the counters are subject to interpretation

take korg for example

the 05/RW has 4 sound banks

with instruments 0 - 99

it also has a GM bank

with instruments 1 - 128

great, ain't it? Smile

By Latok

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19-06-2003, 17:28

This topic has been inactive for a long time. Too long Smile.......I have had a phonecall with Michiel and he said he is planning a new release of Meridian within a relatively short period of time!!

This new version could very well be some kind of beta final release and will offer enough facilities for all us MSX composers to finally start creating songs for OPL4 and/or MIDI devices.....

Just keep an eye on these spaces and on www.meridian.msx2.com of course!

By snout

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19-06-2003, 19:51

Wow! Michiel really has done a LOT of work in just a little time Wink

By Latok

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30-06-2003, 21:36

Ok, I found the time to play a bit with Meridian v3.0 beta. Earlier in this thread, I already gave many compliments to Michiel and the things he's doing. Meridian truly is a unique program!

The possibility to play SMF-files through the GMset Michiel has put online as well is just AWESOME!! Also, the MER-files which are on the Meridian website are very nice to listen to.....

/me checked this GMset and discovered the PCM samples have been used to create this GMset....I think we should build a better GMset with more 2FM- and/or 4FM sounds in it. That way, we have better chances every *.MID file will be played completely and not skipping certain parts...Meridian approaches the OPL4 as a MIDI device....The opl4 has 'only' 24 PCM channels, which means 'only' 24 polyphony.....IF we use this GMset....If we build a GMset which also uses FM-sounds where it's possible, we create MORE than 24 polyphon music....

I am disappointed about one thing, though. Therefor, I will quote an earlier message in this thread from me:

'Michiel, don't get me wrong here I do think Meridian is user friendly, it is just it needs some more on certain parts.....And snout has stated them above.....I'm not alone in this one, though....During the OSS fair, more people asked for things like step indicator, analyzers, scrolling through the data while playing, trackmode (all piano+drum and standard time interval) etc. etc. I know these are basic things, but they ARE important to create a userbase....I'm sure of that...'

I posted this in January 2003.....Until there isn't this step indicator, a note analyzer, scrolling through data while playing and a fixed predefinition (piano+drum and standard time interval), I don't see myself really getting into Meridian....But Michiel knows this already....Talked about it with him many many times Tongue

Anyway, come on guyz!! Let's discuss Meridian 3.0 beta a bit more, here. The program is already a fantastic achievement. Please download it and try playing some SMF-files with the GMset Michiel created for our pleasure. You won't regret it!!

By snout

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30-06-2003, 21:39

I'm still too impressed to give any real comments on this. Everyone who has a moonsound should try this new version.

However.. maybe it's smart to start a new Meridian 3.x thread? Smile

By MichieldeVries

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30-06-2003, 23:41

I am disappointed about one thing, though. Therefor, I will quote an earlier message in this thread from me:

'Michiel, don't get me wrong here I do think Meridian is user friendly, it is just it needs some more on certain parts.....And snout has stated them above.....I'm not alone in this one, though....During the OSS fair, more people asked for things like step indicator, analyzers, scrolling through the data while playing, trackmode (all piano+drum and standard time interval) etc. etc. I know these are basic things, but they ARE important to create a userbase....I'm sure of that...'

I posted this in January 2003.....Until there isn't this step indicator, a note analyzer, scrolling through data while playing and a fixed predefinition (piano+drum and standard time interval), I don't see myself really getting into Meridian....But Michiel knows this already....Talked about it with him many many times Tongue

Yes, I know... I released this version to let you know what the MSX is capable of playing the Opl4. The basic issues that should be implemented are not so hard. I think the following things should be implemented in the next release or version:
* Step indicator
* Scrolling while playing
* Default track setup when initializing for a new song
* Default time-event setup when initializing for a new song
* Note analyzer/MIDI channel analyzer
* Entering the names of the Opl4 programs and drums
* Tuning some Opl4 programs
* Pitch and modulation on Opl4

Something else...? Smile

By Latok

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30-06-2003, 23:44

No, I would say....That's really about it, Michiel!! If you integrate these things you just mentioned.....We have one enormous Meridian v3.0 version.....

By wolf_

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01-07-2003, 00:01

..and you would make coders quite happy if you release a standalone player which is fast enough for games..!

And if all possabilities together are overkill for the humble virgin-z80, than what about a cpu-meter or something IN meridian?

This way, the composer can make an agreement with the coder(s) like: only 40% cpu time (just some hypothetic number here) for music. Then the composer can do anything in M, as long as the composer doesn't exceed the 40% border.

By snout

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01-07-2003, 00:10

hmmm.. I think avoiding pitchbending and using some quantization will decrease CPU-load a lot already. So if you make music for games/demos, you can just agree not to use those things.

As far as I understood, Michiel was not planning to develop an external replayer, but others (Grauw!? Guyver?!) already said they were interested in creating one. Such replayers could also come with a parser that modifies the original score in a way so that CPU power will be limited. Using the same technique in a project we're working on right now, and most of the time you can not hear a difference.

By wolf_

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01-07-2003, 00:20

hehe, if you can't hear a difference between an original tune and a chopped-off tune, then it means the original tune wasn't cooking the z80 at all. In that case, it makes no harm.. however, it's not safe to asume that every tune can be chopped w/o serious quality-loss! Smile

I asume 'software' pitch-modulation also cooks the z80? darn!

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