HBI-V1 programing information needed...

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By HansO

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08-12-2004, 21:14

No information at all in the manual about ML interface Sad

FMD is not in the documentation, MD is (Manual Digitize).

The manual is a typical userguide: about connecting, about how to use the programs on the delivered floppy, the builtin DG program and the Basic statements. Nothing more technical, no circuit diagram, no description of the inner part of the ROM alas.
A pity, because this device is the best piece of MSX hardware I have seen to let a MSX2+ be usefull! The resulting pictures were for long the only way for me to digitize video pictures in high quality. A pity that the device is NTSC limited. The PAL mod did make it show colors on European video images, but the bottom part falls off (in NTSC 480 lines, in PAL 625). The knowledge how this PAL mod is done is lost I think. As is access to a service manual.

By NYYRIKKI

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08-12-2004, 21:41

The worst thing in this device is, that you can't control the picture contrast or brightness. (well, you have the switch, but...)

I'm starting to think, that the bottom part problem is more limited by the software than hardware. This digitizer has 64KB of memory, but only 53K (212 lines) is copied to VRAM. Rest of the data (44 lines) is usually not read or copied over the ROM. If you can capture also this part of the picture, you still miss 56 lines, but that is only double of the amount you normally miss with NTSC picture. (I talk here about non interlaced picture)

I hope that someone could try, is the rest of the picture also available to use...

By NYYRIKKI

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08-12-2004, 21:49


Table: A,B,C,D,E,F,G
#7FFC: %XXX***GG
#7FFD: %X**XEEFF
#7FFE: %BBCCCDDD
#7FFF: %AAAAAAAA

Last version of my guess of writeable data:
A = ??? (Picture offset, I hope Smile)
B = Screen mode (See earlyer post)
C = Y-Block size (Note: swapped with X)
D = X-Block size
E = Y-Start block
F = X-Start block
G = Command (01 = Execute 00 = Terminate?)

By BiFi

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09-12-2004, 07:49

I noticed a switch on the side of the digitizer and a line from it goes to the upper input but not the lower. I wonder what the manual says about the two seperate inputs. Is there a difference between them? I found out the switch is some brightness setting on the input. My guess is the switch is supposed to be for the upper input only, but by trial and error it also works on the lower input.

@HansO: Maybe scanning it and putting it online can help us get a better view on some things when somebody can translate it.
@NYYRIKKI: I'll continue the disassembly to find out what all commands do. And I'll do some testing with the cartridge itself.

By HansO

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09-12-2004, 08:55

I noticed a switch on the side of the digitizer and a line from it goes to the upper input but not the lower. I wonder what the manual says about the two seperate inputs. Is there a difference between them? I found out the switch is some brightness setting on the input. My guess is the switch is supposed to be for the upper input only, but by trial and error it also works on the lower input.

@HansO: Maybe scanning it and putting it online can help us get a better view on some things when somebody can translate it.
@NYYRIKKI: I'll continue the disassembly to find out what all commands do. And I'll do some testing with the cartridge itself.

The switch is intended to enable/disable the teminator resistor on the video. A video signal is supposed to be terminated by 75 ohm. But when connecting two video devices on one video signal the load is two times 75 ohm, which lowers the signal so that the image is less bright and also could have sync problems. So indeed the switch has influence on the brightness.

I will scan the manual! It has some diagrams that explain this switch.

By NYYRIKKI

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09-12-2004, 09:10

Is these connectors meant for two inputs or video troughput?

By BiFi

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09-12-2004, 09:32

@NYYRIKKI: I tried both connectors and they're both input. I haven't tried 2 seperate input signals yet though.
@HansO: Thanks for the explanation and we're looking forward to the manual scans.

By NYYRIKKI

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09-12-2004, 11:24

I think, they are just connected together. It's like a branch box. I would not recommend two inputs at a same time without knowledge it works that way. I must warn you, that the digitizer, that I now have was killed by input signal from video. If there are two inputs, I think, that the risk will increase.

By HansO

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09-12-2004, 11:41

It is not intended to use this as two inputs, but as a daysychain. Similar to SCSI!

Connect video input to one and connect a videomonitor to the other. The terminator switch prevents the double terminating.

By BiFi

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09-12-2004, 12:04

Ah, so it can be used as a throughput connector. I must agree it's logical if you think about it... there are video inputs that don't have any display (or a second connector for it) and you want to know what you're about to digitize. Of course you can make a little program that will get a digi, but it's hardly what you want at that moment.

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