The best music tracker for MSX

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By ro

Guardian (4174)

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20-01-2003, 08:27

here we go..

o Wbass Tokenizes code and PRE-assembles it while editing

thangx to this, 2step assembling is done very fast

o Coding in modules, and linking them is cool, but takes MUCH longer

to assemble...

o Wbass is NOT (I repeat NOT) ment to use in BASIC, you should know that.

Basic is just an environment in which a general MSX will start mostly. Coding is just programming your CPU and memory. nothing more. Our F-kernel, just an example, runs perfect using DOS x.x routines. (I said USING DOS, not running in/under DOS).

DOS is just one of them many operation systems.

o Wbass is a plain, basic assembler, I agree. So, we made our own versions, using F-kernel which has memory management and there for making use of it with wbass was e.z. as 1.2.3. There you have it: As much SOURCES as you like in memory!! (no limit, but the memory size)

o Label handling was done better in wbass, but a minor was the 6 string length.. Sad

o Data handling was done sooo much better, I could do ANYTHING with ANY data, which I had trouble with in compass.

and so on.

Don't get me wrong here, I was eager to use Compass, really. But after having done some code with it.. I was a bit dissapointed about certain thinx (which I can't recall it this moment, exept for some statements mentioned above).

So I would stick to wbass. And, I hate to say this, I could really coock some nice meals with it! (can't disagree that the fuzz made some okay stuff, not?)

But again, it's the CODING issue which is being discused in another threat (general).

Oh, why is it that ppl STIL use DOS on PC? good thing die slowly I suppose...

but were we not talking about music trackers????

By pitpan

Prophet (3131)

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20-01-2003, 10:25

Wasn't this a thread about music trackers? It has evolved to a more sophisticated, widely ambitious and assembler critical post!

Returning to its original meaning, I have one question for you: is there any PSG tracked that suits the following requirements:

-Easy music editing

-With its own replayer to be included in asm code and no need of MSX-DOS

-Strong enough but no so heavy (I mean not so time-consuming)

-50 Hz/60 Hz compatible

-For MSX1!

I know that I am asking for such a complicated thing, but I do not want to code my own tracked and player for tiny MSX1 gaming projects.

For example, MATRA released its own replayer, MUZAK, and its effects are really amazing, but it only works under MSX-DOS using 60 Hz refresh. And there is no tracker/editor, neither source code to include in your own programs.

By the way, have you ever heard something better that MATRA's music and effects using ONLY PSG? It is so bad that they have quitted from the MSX scene. Their songs remind me the good all days of the Spectrum conversions from Gremlin Graphics and US Gold: they included excellent music in the presentation (MASK, Psycho Pig, Thing Bounces Back, etc.)

Thanks for your help!

By snout

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20-01-2003, 10:30

Flying Bytes PSG-Tracker entirely fits your needs. That is, if an external replayer is included. I'm not too sure about that. You can even import Fac Soundtracker music in PSG-Tracker (selecting 3 channels out of 9 of course Wink)

By Latok

msx guru (3764)

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20-01-2003, 11:38

Yes, there is an external PSG Tracker replayer available, but the sources of the whole project are gone, unfortunately......So erhm.....I think you'll need to do some disassembling...

By Grauw

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20-01-2003, 12:21

There's Musica, right? Isn't that tracker fit for PSG very well?

And about people using DOS on PC, I think Patriek is mainly using the Win32 commandline... DOS is outdated, but commandline shells surely aren't.

I'll create another Compass vs. WBASS thread this afternoon, won't respond to it here anymore hehe.

~Grauw

By Latok

msx guru (3764)

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20-01-2003, 12:45

Indeed, MusicA, I forgot about the one considering PSG possibilites.....Hmmmmm......It's more MML instead of tracking, right? And is it an MSX1 program?

By Latok

msx guru (3764)

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20-01-2003, 12:46

ERhm, if you want to use MusicA for PSG alone, couldn't you better just use BASIC? Tongue

By BiFi

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20-01-2003, 13:08

In MSX Basic you need to re-parse the whole MML part. MusicA does that by itself (all interrupt driven stuff). So for PSG BGM MusicA can be a quite good idea to use since it doesn't rely on Basic to parse the MML stuff.

By chaos

Paladin (809)

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20-01-2003, 17:07

and ofcourse Musica supports psg, fm and scc at the same time Smile

By Latok

msx guru (3764)

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20-01-2003, 19:59

Still, remains one question unanswered: Is MusicA an MSX1 program?

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