The best music tracker for MSX

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By snout

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12-01-2003, 00:40

With only 9 channels... I prefer vertical orientation, but that's just because I got used to Moonblaster I suppose. The more channels there are, the easier horizontal orientation is. In MBWAVE I often lose the 'overview' of the songs, when I do complicated things.

By Haze

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12-01-2003, 09:21

When you're tracking on various platforms, you'll notice a slight bias to "vertical"-tracker layouts. Smile Which makes me wondering, are there any PC trackers out there with a "vertical" layout? (just curious)

By snout

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12-01-2003, 13:52

Depends.. Most MOD-based trackers (fasttracker etc.) are vertical. All MIDI sequencers I know are horizontal.

By Haze

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13-01-2003, 15:55

Depends.. Most MOD-based trackers (fasttracker etc.) are vertical. All MIDI sequencers I know are horizontal.

That is exactly the point of difference. Most trackers are biased vertical whilst most sequencers are biased horizontal. The latter most probably because of the "link" to music on sheets, which also is (mainly) horizontally orientated. OT there was someone who introduced a vertical system which would revolutionize music as we knew it.

Vertical trackers, like FST, aren't around that much. Smile Though I must say I regard MML as a compromise between the two "standards".

By sjoerd

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13-01-2003, 21:20

So I like sequencers better than trackers 8)

By wolf_

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13-01-2003, 23:50

I've troubles with mbwave too,when it comes to orientation.

- channels don't have names but numbers.. even with character something like 'st' for strings and 'ba', or 'bs' for bass changes a lot!

- did anyone actually wonder why you can only 'mute' channels in mb(wave) ? 99 out of 100 times I prefer solo'ing a channel! When I want to solo a channel now, I need to 'mute' 23 other channels!

- current instrument/volume/etc. status is not stored anywere.. everytime you need that ^$@#%@ settings-scan... imagine working above position 100, it takes seconds before you hear anything. 99 out of 100 times I navigate in my IT-tunes just by listening what's going on in that pattern (while soloing a channel!). Based on that, I know where I am.

By sjoerd

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15-01-2003, 23:01

I have been using my own Moonsound tracker for over five years now, so of course I would say that would be the best. Smile

Problems are the bugs in the 'own sample part' and in the settingsscan.

Last week I noticed some strange 'bugs' in my own homemade assembler. (I used tasm from speech technologies, but when I found out it was shareware, I thought, hey why not pay them? So I found it would be easier to just program my own assembler. Could I make it faster and better and (well you know...) than tasm, and the program would be free. Smile Problem with me is programs never get finished. Smile )

But with the latest bug termination round (inserted some code around the 'hier nog ff de opcode bij zoeken'-comments :O ), my own tracker seems stable again. And I will redesign my own assembler anyway. (Saw some nice idea's in tniASM Smile )

So I may finish Realfun after all (The last 'sort of working' version is from 2001). But in five years a lot changes, and I don't like the design of Realfun that much anymore. So I'm thinking of RF2. After all, RF should stay the best tracker for msx. There is no need to give that title away to Meridian. Smile

Some killer reasons why Realfun is the best tracker on msx:

- horizontal. (hehe.)

- channels have names.

- mute and solo possible.

- settingsscan performed while editing, so (mostly) no waiting.

- 3 songs, 768 positions, 256 tracks, 32 channels.

- 2 events/step/channel.

- And lots of bugs in the sample routines!!!

By snout

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16-01-2003, 01:31

heehee.. I especially like them bugs in the sample routines. There can never be enough bugs there Smile

No, seriously. This is the first time most msxorg visitors hear about the RealFun tracker. Could you tell us a bit more about the tracker you're developing, we might be able to make a news post out of it Wink

By Latok

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16-01-2003, 08:54

Yeah, indeed! Tell me more, tell me more Tongue Tongue

And erhm....You know what's also a good habit of 'the best tracker'? It's public oO

By Haze

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16-01-2003, 11:32

Hehe, RealFun... not the first time I heard about it. I've been wondering what had happened to it! It sounded really promissing and still does. I just hope it will be a little up to speed on normal MSX'es.

And I take it the required amount of memory is still rising? Tongue

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