SIDplayer for MSX di NYYR1KK1

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Por poke-1,170

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11-05-2010, 00:17

msx2 or higher ? Smile

Por poke-1,170

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11-05-2010, 00:19


* waves at poke f
rom #ChipMusic btw Wink *

nice you joined Smile more msx in chipmusic !

Por NYYRIKKI

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11-05-2010, 00:20

msx2 or higher ? Smile
No, MSX1 is enough, if you have 128KB RAM Wink

Por JohnHassink

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11-05-2010, 03:28

Hi @ poke-1,170

Again, there is a lot more variety and progressive music to be found on the c64 then on the msx, of which
most composers haven't heard anything new since tubular bells 2 and haven't moved forward ever since.

Well, I have no idea what you mean by this... Mike Oldfield rip-off or "shitty 80's synthmusic"?
I note significant style differences in nowadays and older MSX PSG work.
Are you referring to typical '90's 'scene' work on MB Stereo and SCC?
If not, you might have some kind of special idea on what's 'progressive'. Smile

Because, what I've heard from the more recent ZX Spectrum, C64 or MSX works I enjoyed, but haven't found anything especially progressive, save for nice 'new' use of chip tricks.
Apart from matters of composing, how original can you get on 30 year old stuff? Big smile
What's true is that the C64 and Spectrum scenes seem to have more contributing members nowadays, so the quantitative offering is bigger, which must do something for the diversity. Wink

In regards to the ay chip (and stuff like venom strikes back (trying to mimmick c64 with arpeggios), I can only say
that its a limited soundchip in comparison to the sid. And most of the good stuff that's been done with the ay 3-8910
has been done on the zx spectrum (ay riders come to mind), where there was just that chip to explore.

Hm, I don't see how that -or similar- tunes mimic the C64 version? It's just a re-arrangement I guess.
The C64 version arpeggiates the same way but through a SID.
I'm sure you know this kind of arpeggio was/is very commonly used to compensate for having so less channels.
Do you possibly mean the pitchbends? I suppose that's limitations of software used.

For some music, it's okay to have no clarity, but it's a big limitation on what you want to do with your sound (as can be the case with 30 year old chips, LOL).
In that regard I think the SID is like hitting a fly with a neutron bomb. All so crude.
A tone that's designed to sound like "duuuuuuuuuunnn" comes out on SID as "duu-kghghghshshshpflpflpflkgshshshsh-uunn" Smile

And what does tonal clarity have to do with good music anyway ? Would grunge be nice with very clean guitars, eric clapton style ? (would be fun to hear though Tongue)

Well, that's what I tried to clarify by using my little black metal metaphore.
You kind of put your finger right there: yes, grunge is 'nice'. But what is 'good' (progressive or original) about it? Admittedly it had some 'socio-cultural' relevance, but musically it has nothing to say.
Gabber is also nice. In its heyday it might have been even more progressive than grunge. Big smile

By the way, Clapton didn't always play it 'clean'... Wink
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeUTZZU7iYg

...and would speed metal be nice in bluegrass style?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Na1R_2o9haY

@ SLotman

No, I didn't really get that idea from you, as yes, I know what you mean about it being very useful and handy, NYYRIKKI did a kick ass job again.
I just was baffled by the (wrongly) perceived by me "Yeeah, we don't need the crap from our own scene anymore", which I more often think to read. :)

@ masaxi

hey, now I must say I understand much better what you mean.

I agree with you that there's a strong 'current' in nowadays MSX scene to follow the 'Japanese' line in all aspects of design, but I wouldn't call it Japanese or European for that matter.

The music we know that 'in the days' came from the C64/Spectrum/MSX PSG days back then, are from a style which is just different.
You could say 'noisy and crude', but it's just a totally different approach I guess...
...as there are thousands of approaches. I don't think we can easily divide it in two. ;)

Some people like that sound of those 'arpeggio's', or that of squeezing the sound by 'doubling' exact the same tones.
Or how about beeper use?
I can sometimes appreciate it too, but I guess not everyone likes that or wants to use a nice 'n' old chip in that way.
With that comes a much seen approach, on any system, like "we'll see if it sounds cool", in aspects of composing.
Ofcourse it can sound nice. :D
I guess some people like it 'harsh' or 'obtuse', some people don't, just as not anyone likes the sound of organs, or saxophones, female vocals, steel drums or distortion guitars. ;)

You probably understand a little how the talk before here can be interpreted like I did.
Now I know it was not meant like that, I'll apologize for taking it too literally. :)

I listened to the Wizard's Lair music. It's very lumpy, but I like it too, hehehe.
You'd probably like the music from a game like Una's Lair too, one of my favorites, don't know why. And YES, it's also used ingame. :p

Por MäSäXi

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11-05-2010, 10:48

Nice that you understand now, demonseed. Smile

by the way, your "clean" clapton admired this A LOT!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufzRV3xspYA

( and I mean guitar playing, NOT those dancing 'kittens' ! :P)

by the way 2, on what platform una´s lair is released, never heard of..?

Por MäSäXi

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11-05-2010, 11:01

Nyyrikki, is this your new updated video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOZo_qp3z1M

This is only one I can find (except one you uploaded in April many weeks ago) though this is not uploaded by you.

Must this be understood that you have used Supersoniqs´ sid-board for sid-to-psg conversions?

Or is this played THROUGH sid board? As it doesn´t sound like PSG at allllll....... though video is taken by camera, not straight from msx...

Por JohnHassink

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11-05-2010, 11:25

Una's Lair is, I see here, also known as "Storm":
http://www.generation-msx.nl/msxdb/softwareinfo/2738

...and I see there's a C64 version as well, which I'm going to download, eh, buy now to listen. :)

Por boomlinde

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11-05-2010, 11:36

Or is this played THROUGH sid board? As it doesn´t sound like PSG at allllll....... though video is taken by camera, not straight from msx...

Yeah, that is definitely a SID.

Por JohnHassink

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11-05-2010, 15:06

...and I see there's a C64 version as well, which I'm going to download, eh, buy now to listen. Smile
Hmm, totally different music than the MSX version. A lot less fun. Crying

Por NYYRIKKI

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11-05-2010, 15:53

Oh, I uploaded accidentally an old version of the player to MRC... I didn't remember that I had already made this minor update... How ever the biggest change is the version number. The changes are mainly related to internal structure and do not affect the usage or sound output.

So, yes the minimum requirements are mentioned, but this player can also use SID-chip when it becomes available.

@MÄSÄXI Thanks for the link, I didn't upload that video. It is nice to see this program playing with SID-chip. Unfortunately I don't have one, so I haven't seen this in action before. Eek!

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