SIDplayer for MSX di NYYR1KK1

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Por SLotman

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08-05-2010, 10:50

Best thing is: even if the player is like the PC one, which runs an emulator to play the sound, you can always dump PSG data, and use it on your games/programs without requiring processor time Smile

Por JohnHassink

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08-05-2010, 14:58

Yeah, but honestly, why would you?

I mean, regarding the considerably few MSX-fans who are not too lazy or busy to create new content, why not get dedicated sound and graphics for your project?
Tunes, well, apart from the iconic stuff which everyone already knows pretty well from this-and-that game, by the hand of Daglish, Benn etc. there's not much interesting stuff to be distilled from that platform IMHO.

Maybe for if you want to test your replayer routine or if you're making a port or something.
...but there's an entire chiptune-composer generation waiting to contribute to an actual new game. Don't slap them in the face. Wink

Por MäSäXi

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09-05-2010, 10:26

Yeah, but honestly, why would you?

Tunes, well, apart from the iconic stuff which everyone already knows pretty well from this-and-that game, by the hand of Daglish, Benn etc. there's not much interesting stuff to be distilled from that platform IMHO.

......there´s not much interesting musical stuff on C=64? LOL! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHHAAAAAAA!! You are funny demonseed! LOL!

demonseed (among many others), I guess you mean you are not very interested about sid sound and/or musical style used in many C=64 games? I guess many here will prefer japanese culture´s musical style of old computer/videogames better.... I used to play C=64 games few years before I got my MSX and I still like 1980s american/european computer music style better than "not as good" japanese style. (nope, no need to start to argue which style is better!Tongue)

Back to topic: At last someone is making my very old dreams true, unless this is just one of Nyyrikki´s many jokes..... Smile (I hope NOT!oO) Damn you Nyyrikki, if you fooled me!! LOL! Hearing (converted) SID music on my MSX is a serious thing to me!! Crazy Wink

If this is true thing, then I say Unbelievable stuff again Nyyrikki!!! Big smile

Are there any restrictions, or does every SID file work, in theory at least? I guess there must be some limitations.Question

PSG+SCC Sidplayer would be cool too, but I think there should be "just psg" Sidplayer too, as PSG is the original sound chip of the MSX. Smile SCC was not that "widely" used until this millennium. (ok, maybe some freaks used it in the late eighties already, but you got what I meant)

Ok, now I am just hoping this is THE REAL THING and there will be easy way to convert most sid files to be used on MSX´s PSG Sidplayer. Smile

Por MäSäXi

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09-05-2010, 10:31

by the way Nyyrikki, I know that for years there have been PC Sidplayer called Sidplay, same name as your Sidplay has. But you say "Original player code: Simon Owen", so I guess you have used routines from that same player which I have used for many years now. Smile

ALAHHAN KERTTOO LISSEE NYYRIKKI!! JA ÄKKII!!!! :-D Mokoma Nyyrikki piät jännityksessä!!!! :-D

Por boomlinde

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09-05-2010, 13:07

Tunes, well, apart from the iconic stuff which everyone already knows pretty well from this-and-that game, by the hand of Daglish, Benn etc. there's not much interesting stuff to be distilled from that platform IMHO.
Oh, you're missing out! I think that's an unfounded assumption based on what little you've heard... Remember that there are 30 000 more SIDs to listen to in the HVSC. It's hard to get a good overview with so many tunes, but even by just looking at the number we can tell that there is _something_ worth the attention.

Por MäSäXi

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09-05-2010, 13:37

Another point:

If there´s someone who is willing to make MSX conversion of some existing 1980s 8-bit game, now he has a very good chance to get easily (if conversion method is easy) existing musics to put into this MSX conversion!!

Remember, we all who played european MSX-1 games in the 80s, we always remember, that with just few exceptions, most games had NO in-game music. And now, soon there will be a chance to get well-done game musics for virtually every game with just converting them to PSG with (soon) existing tool. Smile All you need is someone(s) to make those conversions then. Wink Good Music is available soon/already. Smile

You can spare your time to game design and programming! Smile At least if you don´t sell your game, there will probably be almost 0% chance to get problems by using old copyrighted tunes. Hmmmmm.... and they aren´t original tunes actually, but converted ones... thought converted from copyrighted material. But I wonder that how many modern day owners who own rights to 1980s american/european game companies will really care too much if they (unlikely) happen to hear that someone freak-nerd has converted some "never hearded of" ancient computer game´s music into "haven´t never hearded of that either" ancient computer system and put that converted music to game which is home-made conversion of "that never hearded game" and he is selling thirty copies of that home-made game to other nerds........ and he´s stupid too as he doesn´t get any profit by selling those games.....

I guess there are many MSX´ers, who would like to play a game which has very well converted Commodore 64 musics! Smile

All that you can have, if Nyyrikki haven´t fooled us somehow. Smile

Por poke-1,170

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09-05-2010, 14:26

yeah the sid outdoes the psg many times.
Besides, in all honnesty I've heard better and more innovative music the past couple of years coming from
the c64 scene then from the msx, which imo is incredibly stuck with shitty 80's synthmusic.

Por JohnHassink

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09-05-2010, 16:56

......there´s not much interesting musical stuff on C=64? LOL! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHHAAAAAAA!! You are funny demonseed! LOL!

demonseed (among many others), I guess you mean you are not very interested about sid sound and/or musical style used in many C=64 games? I guess many here will prefer japanese culture´s musical style of old computer/videogames better.... I used to play C=64 games few years before I got my MSX and I still like 1980s american/european computer music style better than "not as good" japanese style. (nope, no need to start to argue which style is better!Tongue)
Well, to me it's all about quality. The country where it's from is not important.
I like a lot of 'western style' PSG tunes.

But not interesting to me = not interesting to me. I can't do anything about it, even putting ketchup and mayonaise on it doesn't make it suddenly interesting. Wink

Regarging the SID, I suppose it only appeals to people having nostalgic feelings about it.
To everyone else it just sounds like a big steaming pile of ShID.
Honestly, I can't blame them. It's not a worthwhile chip by any means.
No clarity in tone whatsoever, no subtetly or dynamics, butt-ugly, imbalanced sounds... really, was it actually meant to make music with or to warn ships that they're too close to the shore? Question

For instance: I've always adored the Death Wish III tune.
The SID version, however, puts tears in my eyes. To say it friendly.

And yes, I'd like new games with original music and not crudely compiled, crackling & stuttering bleeping house crap, to name something it usually comes down to. Boring amateuristic stuff.
To me that's just about as interesting as watching wallpaper dry.

...but ofcourse everyone should do what they like unless they are paid $$$ for it. It's a hobby, not a job, and maybe I'm just an old snob. Smile

Por JohnHassink

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09-05-2010, 17:07

Oh, you're missing out! I think that's an unfounded assumption based on what little you've heard... Remember that there are 30 000 more SIDs to listen to in the HVSC. It's hard to get a good overview with so many tunes, but even by just looking at the number we can tell that there is _something_ worth the attention.
Yeah, I heard quite some of them but not al 30.000, no. :D

Maybe if you -or someone- could name some good composers, we don't have to check on all 30.000 songs. ;)

Por boomlinde

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09-05-2010, 18:07

I have absolutely no nostalgic feelings for either the C64 or the MSX (started using the C64 in 2005 or so, and the MSX in 2009) but I still enjoy a lot of the music. Since you are looking for subtlety, dynamics and clarity I can recommend you listening to some tracks by lft and zabutom. As for balanced sounds, you can check out the sound design by goto80 (who obviously has a great melodic sense too - check out pappap for example) or Linus (very fat and "modern" sounds, some of which I wouldn't immediately attribute to the C64 if I didn't know better). If you still hold your opinion after having a thorough listen to these, I think we'll have to amount THAT to some nostalgic bias Wink

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