Help with MegaFlashRom SCC + SD not working

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Por LowRes

Resident (49)

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23-02-2018, 22:54

Guillian wrote:

You have to press ESC, not DEL.
Erasing the kernel does not eras the ROM in the cartridge, as any MegaFlashROM SD use can confirm.
You it is quite clear that you are using the cartridge in a wrong way.

You asked for a refund BEFORE you return the cartridge to me. I'll refund it as soon as I get the cartridge back.

Is the cartridge damaged in any way due to shipping?

I meant ESC not DEL (using a panasonic so I have to press both)

Is it damaged from shipping? not visibly, but when I load a rom on your cart it get's stuck no matter what. I'm using it correctly, and have read the user manual many times and I understand what the normal operation is supposed to be. My problem is the roms like to get stuck and it's hard to get it unstuck.

as of right now, I have it unstuck and I have the rom erased. It works fine if I just want to use it for the ram and sCC while playing floppy disks. Im playing SD Snatcher off Floppy disks while using the cart for the extra ram and SCC

it's the SD card function that does not work correctly for me

Por Guillian

Prophet (3529)

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23-02-2018, 23:21

If the SD card is damaged, you can't load any file or access the SD as you have done.
SD interface is not related to ROM emulation. That's why holding R (to disable Nextor operative system and SD interface) can not interfiere in the ROM boot. So if you have a ROM flashed, it will boot (unless you hold ESC or erase it from recovery menu)

Feel free to post a video loading a ROM and getting stuck. Perhaps we can figure out what is wrong.

You have claimed to PayPal. Reason: sending you a different product. Really?

Por LowRes

Resident (49)

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24-02-2018, 00:03

Guillian wrote:

If the SD card is damaged, you can't load any file or access the SD as you have done.
SD interface is not related to ROM emulation. That's why holding R (to disable Nextor operative system and SD interface) can not interfiere in the ROM boot. So if you have a ROM flashed, it will boot (unless you hold ESC or erase it from recovery menu)

Feel free to post a video loading a ROM and getting stuck. Perhaps we can figure out what is wrong.

You have claimed to PayPal. Reason: sending you a different product. Really?

There's no option to choose defective item in paypal claim so I had to choose Item not as described

You want a video of me pressing "Enter" on a rom from withing multimente? I'm done with this cart, you don't want to understand that once a rom is loaded it gets stuck? you even have a recovery option incase a rom gets stuck in flash but you want to pretend like it never happens.

1. You shipped it in a envelope with 0 protective packaging
2. It looks and feels very cheaply made, the sd cart even sits in the unit crooked
3. The operation of the cart is very buggy

case closed, I will not spend anymore time on this cart. I'll send it back, you can refund me, we're done here.

Por Manuel

Ascended (19678)

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24-02-2018, 00:13

Is the problem that a ROM gets stuck? Or is there a problem with the SD Card function?
What exactly do you mean with 'stuck' anyway? You can't remove it as it keeps booting it? Even when pressing ESC?

Anyway, perhaps I shouldn't bother to try to help, as you clearly stopped caring... All I can say is that I know many people who are quite happy with this device. Too bad it seems to be impossible to get you satisfied with it. There are alternatives you can try, but I wonder if they'll make you happier.

Por meits

Scribe (6572)

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24-02-2018, 00:56

It is possible that there's some physical defect. The SD slots are delicate slots. Best to handle them with care and in case of the double slot carefully see where you put the SD card because it's possible to put it between both slots.

The operation of the cart is not buggy at all. Sorry to exclamate so fiercly, but it's just the way it is. It can be overwhelming because Guillian has carefully anticipated for solutions for all situations you can think of. That gives the user a lot of options. But in normal use only a few options are necessary to operate with the cart without any problem.

There are other devices which you could think of to replace this cartridge, but you won't get any better than this one. I am no personal friend of Guillian and I do not have shares in his business. It's just the way it is. Other cartridges lack options which this one has or are way more complex in use. Since Guillian is one of founders (if not the) of this concept many years ago he has a lot of knowledge and experience about it. If I'm not mistaken the system that runs on it (Nextor) was written to be used by this cartridge and was later adopted by other manufacturers. It really is top of the line.

I would like to record a video of how I use it and post it here. Then you compare it to how you use it. If you're doing the same as I do, think of an RMA and replace it. It's in Guillian's best interest to provide you with a proper device as well. It's his good name that's at stake.

Another thing about the shipping. It's quite normal use to send it in a bubble envelope. A box with loads of foam won't protect it any more than the envelope already does. It's sturdy stuff. If anything brakes it in the envelope, it brakes is in a box with foam as well. I've received about all my cartridges this way. Even without the packaging that goes with the cartridge. It just doesn't brake from a bit of throwing around during shipping or being dropped through your mailbox.

But first let's see if you use the cartridge as intended and deescalate this topic. I'm confident everything will turn out for the best for everyone involved Smile

Por Guillian

Prophet (3529)

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24-02-2018, 09:44

LowRes wrote:

You want a video of me pressing "Enter" on a rom from withing multimente?

I just want a proof of the problem and check if you are using the cartridge in the right way.
As far as now, you have only published a picture that proves you are using it in a wrong way.

LowRes wrote:

I'm done with this cart, you don't want to understand that once a rom is loaded it gets stuck? you even have a recovery option incase a rom gets stuck in flash but you want to pretend like it never happens.

I just want to you to prove what you say. Holding ESC will skip the ROM for sure. And F1 option from recovery will erase the flashROM. So it is impossible that a flashed ROM will boot again.

The F1 option is there for two reason:
- Erasing the ROM in case you don't want to hold ESC (i.e.: other device also checks ESC key at boot time, or you just don't want to hold any key at boot)
- FlashROMs follows JDEC standard (common flash interface) this means that a flashing tool from another device/manufacturer could write to the cartridge. It that case, the ROM will not have the code that checks if you are holding ESC to skip it (yes, the skipping of a ROM is software related not hardware related)

LowRes wrote:

1. You shipped it in a envelope with 0 protective packaging

I used a bubble envelope. And the cartridge has its own box. You said it does not look damaged.

LowRes wrote:

2. It looks and feels very cheaply made

Really? Other people from all around the world, that seems to know what they talk about, think it is a well made product:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qw-rVovy2zU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkkUyoN13fo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0yLoR3LVOw

LowRes wrote:

the sd cart even sits in the unit crooked

Can you post a picture?
The SD socket have more than 10 solder points and two plastic notches that make impossible to not be soldered in the right position, so...

LowRes wrote:

3. The operation of the cart is very buggy

case closed, I will not spend anymore time on this cart. I'll send it back, you can refund me, we're done here.

Well, you have been using it in a wrong way, and trying to difamate the product for whatever reasons you have.
As I told you, I'll refund the cartridge as soon as I get it back. There is something fishy in this case... asking for a refund BEFORE you send it back... hmm...

Por Kai Magazine

Paragon (1428)

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24-02-2018, 11:38

LowRes wrote:

I meant ESC not DEL (using a panasonic so I have to press both)

I have 2 panasonic and I don't have to press DEL on any of them.
Does your panasonic have any internal software which boots by default unless you press del?
If that is the case, could this interfiere with the ESC function of the MFR in any way?
I am just throwing ideas just in case this is all a missunderstanding...

As for my personal experiencie with MFR, I had several doubts at the beginning (I messed up stuff) and Guilian patiently solved them all. His service has always been 10/10

Por LowRes

Resident (49)

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24-02-2018, 12:18

What pisses me off is Gillian doesn't want to admit there may be something wrong with the Cart. I understand 99% of the time it probably is user error.

Let me be clear, I can load a rom into flash and play the game like normal. The problem is when you want to change that rom, it is stuck in flash and very hard to change game. With normal operation, it should be very easy.

To change a rom, hold ESC on boot to get back into multimente and choose another rom
To change a disk image, hold "0" on boot and delete the next_disk.dat

Keep in mind I'm using a panasonic, so you also have to hold down the "DEL" as well so you skip the internal OS, or let it load the OS and press 7 to get into basic, then I don't have hold down the DEL key. so there's 2 ways I can boot the cart

So what should be very easy to do, does not work for me. I can easily boot into recovery, pressing F1 does not do anything even though it should just erase the flash, instead my only other options are to erase the SD kernel, and re-install the SD kernel which works like normal. I know it has nothing to do with the rom in flash, I'm just saying those are the only options in recovery that let me do anything.

long story short, with many many attempts and reboots, I eventually get lucky to get back into multimente, that's what I call buggy. That's just my experience with this cart which I believe is just this cart not working correctly. I'm sure others have no problem

My first e-mail to you Gillian, you wanted me to send it back to you, and after you look at it you would decide if it's ok to refund me. That's what pissed me off. What's to stop you from getting the cart back, and not refunding me? nothing.

so I'm returning it through the paypal process with tracking so I at least have some protection.

Edit*
and another thing to note, once I get back into multimente I'm able to load another rom like normal or exit multimente and use the command "OPFXSD /C" to erase the rom in flash and that works. I don't dare load another rom though, so instead I left it alone with the rom erased and I'm able to use the cart for the RAM & SCC while playing SD Snatcher off floppy disks by Holding "R" on boot to disable nextor. So that is also working correctly.

Por meits

Scribe (6572)

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24-02-2018, 12:42

LowRes wrote:

My first e-mail to you Gillian, you wanted me to send it back to you, and after you look at it you would decide if it's ok to refund me. That's what pissed me off. What's to stop you from getting the cart back, and not refunding me? nothing.

My IRL job is RMA. This is normal. The manufacturer has the right to check his product. There after refunding can be done. You don't have to be afraid Guillian will not refund if your cartridge is indeed broken. He has a good reputation and has no intention to waste that. I don't understand your lack of trust in him.

Por Manuel

Ascended (19678)

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24-02-2018, 13:05

I think the following should happen if you flashed a game ROM that works.

1. if you do nothing, but just boot, the flashed ROM will start. Enjoy the game.
2. if you press ESC during a reset (keep it pressed, press reset and keep it still pressed until you see the game ROM is not starting) you will end up in the built-in software of the Panasonic FS-A1F, called Cockpit 1. The game ROM is not started.
3. if you press both ESC and DEL, you will end up in Multi Mente, skipping the game ROM and the Cockpit 1 software.
4. if you press UP during a reset (keep it pressed) you will end up in the recovery menu. In the menu you can erase the flashed game ROM with F1. You will get a dialog saying "Are you sure?" If you press Y, it will report "Erased successfully!"

Can you explain in the same detail what happens with your device n these cases?
And yes, it does make sense to make a video, so we know exactly what is going on.

Only then we can actually conclude anything about whether there indeed is something wrong with the cart or not.
If something is wrong we can first try to reflash the recovery ROM and the rest of the built in software. If it still doesn't work, there may be something wrong with the hardware, but it's now way too soon to say anything sensible about that.

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