Suggestion on Upgrading my Turbo R

Por emul8this

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27-11-2004, 16:50

Hello people

Very happy to find a holy place which people gather in the name of MSX!

I have been collecting Japanese PC and American PC for quite some time.
I am in the process of eliminating my collecting to Japanese PC, which means all my Amigas and C64s must go. Of course I still have most of the Game consoles every made to the public. I have had a SOny HitBit before, I think the MSX 2 with the red color on the floppy drive but that was sold ages ago.

Last month I bought a Panasonic Turbo R on eBay for $200+ USD and I am not too happy with my purchase. Let me tell you what I bought and how can you help me on improving it. The guy said he used it for games and included some backed up game which I think he just converted from dsk to floppy but anyways:

- Panasonic MSX Turbo R ST /256K Ram / 128K Vram
- modified Floppy drive with white button and horrible mod to fit drive in the case
- only "One" screw to hole the keyboard in place abut none for the bottom
- Keyboard was yellowing and the "W" was broken that he put some putty to hold it down, the bottome of the buttons had so much animal hair it made me barf, yuck

- the keyboard ribbon contacts were manually reconnected as it was servered

The list does go on but after a days on dis-assembly and cleaning it was in good condition, (I had to take apart keyboard and clean each key with tooth pase and a tooth brush and gave the every piece of plastic a new shine)

Now back to the main topic: How can I upgrade this unit?

Would giving it paint job loose it original value?
I would like to repaint the keyboard but I do with to keep the japanese symbols
I would like to have a bit more ram like 512k to play the translated games and some demos.

A msx mouse would be nice as I have a some Amiga mice
I have game controllers from my FM Towns and X68000 collection which work on
the MSX

the Sunrise IDE looks intresting but I still have a Fujitsu Notebook with Jwin98 so I can transfer the games to disk.

Is there a Midi interface I can buy or make so I can use my MT-32 with the MSX?

What would you think? Your opinions is greatly appreciated. Also I am not going to sell this unit as It is my final Machine I am collecting.

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Por Sonic_aka_T

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27-11-2004, 17:23

Hello people

Very happy to find a holy place which people gather in the name of MSX!Welcome to our happy place of worship Tongue

I have been collecting Japanese PC and American PC for quite some time.
I am in the process of eliminating my collecting to Japanese PC, which means all my Amigas and C64s must go. Of course I still have most of the Game consoles every made to the public. I have had a SOny HitBit before, I think the MSX 2 with the red color on the floppy drive but that was sold ages ago.
Too bad you sold it, it's a really handsome MSX computer. Nice you've decided to buy another MSX though...

Last month I bought a Panasonic Turbo R on eBay for $200+ USD and I am not too happy with my purchase. Let me tell you what I bought and how can you help me on improving it. The guy said he used it for games and included some backed up game which I think he just converted from dsk to floppy but anyways:There are actually a lot of nice games for the Turbo-R computers. Two of which, Illusion City and Seed of Dragon, you can pick up at ebay for around $50 each and are Turbo-R only games. There's also some games that have extra options for the Turbo-R, usually being the usage of the extra memory and the speed of the R800. There's also a game called 'Fray' that had a special Turbo-R release. Copies are indeed very common in the MSX scene, but like I said, there's a lot of nice MSX2 and Turbo-R games you can pick up for 'little' cash at ebay. I myself prefer the Microcabin games, which almost always ensure excellent quality.

- Panasonic MSX Turbo R ST /256K Ram / 128K Vram
- modified Floppy drive with white button and horrible mod to fit drive in the case
- only "One" screw to hole the keyboard in place abut none for the bottom
- Keyboard was yellowing and the "W" was broken that he put some putty to hold it down, the bottome of the buttons had so much animal hair it made me barf, yuck

- the keyboard ribbon contacts were manually reconnected as it was servered

The list does go on but after a days on dis-assembly and cleaning it was in good condition, (I had to take apart keyboard and clean each key with tooth pase and a tooth brush and gave the every piece of plastic a new shine)Bad drive mods are unfortunately common in this computer. I've seen many Turbo-R's maimed in this way. As I understand, the case has already been cut open, so there's not much more you can do to fix it. The keyboard can be tightened down using pretty much any type of screw. Just look for something similar in size, and fasten the thing down again. If the keyboard is really ugly I guess you could try to find a keyboard from one of the other Panasonic computers. Perhaps there's someone out there with a broken WSX willing to sell. Be very careful with the ribbon cable of the keyboard. It will indeed tear easily, and I'm actually very surprised to hear someone was even able to fix it.

Now back to the main topic: How can I upgrade this unit?

Would giving it paint job loose it original value?
I would like to repaint the keyboard but I do with to keep the japanese symbols
I would like to have a bit more ram like 512k to play the translated games and some demos.

A msx mouse would be nice as I have a some Amiga mice
I have game controllers from my FM Towns and X68000 collection which work on
the MSXWell, upgrade-wise I guess you could put 512kB RAM in it. It's not a low of work, and will make some software run a little better. I guess a paint-job shouldn't matter at this point, since it's hardly in an original state anyhow. I did a paintjob once on a GT, and it came out pretty well. I had a few dust problems, but I managed to smooth those out. If you pick a nice-enough color I guess it'll look cool. I wouldn't pain the front panel though, (where the leds and switches are) it's easy enough to take that off anyhow. Try so find some of those iron-on transfers that will work on plastic. That way you can re-do the text it has on the top. I would not recommend painthing the keyboard though, since it'll be impossible to print the letters on again. Panasonic made some MSX2 models with the same case, try and find a keyboard from one of those computers.

the Sunrise IDE looks intresting but I still have a Fujitsu Notebook with Jwin98 so I can transfer the games to disk.

Is there a Midi interface I can buy or make so I can use my MT-32 with the MSX?

What would you think? Your opinions is greatly appreciated. Also I am not going to sell this unit as It is my final Machine I am collecting.
The Sunrise IDE is indeed great, and relatively cheap. If you do consider one though, I'd recommend the Compact Flash version instead. A small card-reader for your PC, and you'd be ready to go Smile

The MIDI part depends on how serious you are. If you're really into MIDI, I would suggest you buy a Turbo-R GT instead. The GT comes with a built-in MIDI interface, 512kB RAM and a small 'SRAM drive'. It also looks a little nice, at least in my opinion. You could probably buy a GT for around $400, and if you do up the ST you have now you could probably get $200 - $300 for it, if you want to sell it to make up for the cash that is...

Be sure to check the download section of this site for nice freeware and amateur productions. There's a lot of nice (old) diskmagazines with lots of info and a load of demo's and small games. Be sure to visit this site from time to time too, since there's a lot of info, news and developments all the time...

Cheers...

Toby

Por NYYRIKKI

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27-11-2004, 19:29

Original disk drive, keyboard membrane and power supply are the weak points of this machine. Other components will work "forever" if not abused.

Unfortunately MSX-mouse is not compatible with other system mouses. There are some interfaces, that make PC-serial mouse to work with MSX, but if you like to use mouse for something more accurate, than pointing icons, I can't recommend these. (You know, serial mouse is not good option even for PC user)

About MIDI... buying new MSX tR is maybe a bit heawy solution to suggest for new MSX tR owner. Smile

There are many MIDI interfaces for MSX. For example Phillips Music-Module has MIDI. There is also MIDI Saurus, Yamaha Syntethizer Unit II and µPACK, that I know... Unfortunately all MSX midi devices are not compatible, so you have to check, is the software you want to use compatible with your hardware. Sad

I think, that µPACK could be a good solution to you, it is compatible with A1GT internal MIDI, so MSX tR games like Illusion City, that supports MIDI music can be used with this interface. µPACK also comes with 256KB memory mapper, but that does not usually help with games as there are very few games, that supports RAM in two different locations. With DOS2 it is a bit more usefull. Unfortunately I have no idea how much it costs or where to get it...

Second best solution is geting Phillips Music-Module. This MIDI interface is quite a common and many games use Music-Module FM chip to get stereo sound.

Por DarQ

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27-11-2004, 20:26

its a damn shame how certain people threat TurboR's. its better to smack a sony HBF700P keyboard because that sucks anyway.

Por Sonic_aka_T

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27-11-2004, 21:04

About MIDI... buying new MSX tR is maybe a bit heawy solution to suggest for new MSX tR owner. Smile

There are many MIDI interfaces for MSX. For example Phillips Music-Module has MIDI. There is also MIDI Saurus, Yamaha Syntethizer Unit II and µPACK, that I know... Unfortunately all MSX midi devices are not compatible, so you have to check, is the software you want to use compatible with your hardware. Sad

I think, that µPACK could be a good solution to you, it is compatible with A1GT internal MIDI, so MSX tR games like Illusion City, that supports MIDI music can be used with this interface. µPACK also comes with 256KB memory mapper, but that does not usually help with games as there are very few games, that supports RAM in two different locations. With DOS2 it is a bit more usefull. Unfortunately I have no idea how much it costs or where to get it...

Second best solution is geting Phillips Music-Module. This MIDI interface is quite a common and many games use Music-Module FM chip to get stereo sound.Well, suggesting a MIDI interface other than the µPACK MIDI interface would be a shame for a Turbo-R owner. And unfortunately, the µPACK interface is not only quite rare (I've never seen one on ebay), it is also quite expensive. I've seen one sold twice, once for 350 guilders (about $200) and once for something of the 300 guilder area. For me, it doesn't make much sense to spend more on the seperate MIDI cart than what you would spend on buying a GT directly (in exchange for an ST that is). This way you get the same thing (and more) for less of the cash. Ofcourse you could buy a Music Module for a lot less, but that's not compatible with the original Turbo-R interface, so you wouldn't have MIDI music in Illusion City nor any of the other Microcabin games that can use this interface.

Por Sonic_aka_T

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28-11-2004, 02:28

its a damn shame how certain people threat TurboR's. its better to smack a sony HBF700P keyboard because that sucks anyway.Well, I must admit I had the very same problem with the keyboard of my old ST... *blush* One careless moment and I found myself typing by connecting a small copper wire between the connectors on the mainboard... Needless to say I now know the keyboard matrix by heart Tongue

Por Sonic_aka_T

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28-11-2004, 02:29

In my defense, the ribbon cables *are* very thin... Wink