MSX Association asks for distributors in the Netherlands

So this post explains a lot what happened between Bazix and MSXA....
I see that MSXA is now mentioning an ESE MSX System 4. And I also read that MSXA was going to present a new roadmap during the last couple of MSX events. Would anyone who participate of such events please tell us what MSXA is planning? I mean, I am curious about their roadmap for the MSX....

wolf, they're frickin' liars. why do you even post it here?

did you do "tracert eur.msxa.org" yet, grauw?

that's reason enough for me to doubt anything.

I don't doubt tracert. The fact you even hint at that Bazix is blaming TNI (they never did) says enough.

Samor, this was MSX news, whether relevant or not, whether honest or not, whether interesting or not, I post. The mud throwing was not news, it was just mud throwing, and is better kept where it came from. In any case, it's private matter anyway. MRC is not a collosseum where two gladiators are trying to chop their opponent's head off while trying to win the audience. At least, it shouldn't be..

I actually expect people to be intelligent enough to draw their own conclusions, no one needs to be told (or shouted to) what to think, what to say, what to believe, or who to 'choose'. Come on ppl, we're 30+ on average, the time some (economy ^_^) teacher could impress you with an angry loud voice is far behind us.

I'd say, use your common sense and make your own conclusions. After that we can RNFF again..

Samor, get your facts straight. The post by Rikusu (Rieks, from Bazix) on July 06 2008, 15:31 in the Bazix breaks relationship with MSX Association news item most certainly seems to be blaming TNI. Additionally, no-one is denying that the MSX Association’s Europe site is hosted by TNI, least of all I. Did you not read my response above?

Either way, as a member of TNI you must understand that I can not let unfounded accusations go without response :). Statements like “they're frickin' liars”, “it's even worse than I could've ever imagined not too long ago”, “The fact you even hint at that Bazix is blaming TNI (they never did) says enough” and the insinuations made don’t sit well with me.

Grauw, do you by any chance happen to know who that TT is? (operator of eur.msxa) And/or who 'admin' is? (it's not a JP person for sure)

Ok, but the question remains: what are the MSXA plans for the MSX in the future? Did anyone see their new roadmap? Does anyone know what are the features for the newly planned ESE MSX system 4?
And since you mentione dit: isn't it incredible that the main western MSX website haven't posted any info about the things I am asking above? Unless MSXA hasn't shown anything... Anyway, I hope their problems with MSXA doesn't get in the way of posting news about all the exciting MSX projects going on...

@Wolf: Nope, I don’t. Why can it not be a Japanese person? Shiozawa (is that the guy’s name?) at the 25th anniversary event did seem to speak quite good English.

No he didn't, I couldn't make cheese from it were it not for Manuel who translated/explained stuff here and there during the presentation. Yesterday I spent a number of hours chatting with Shiozawa on IRC, I guarantee you: the English on eur.msxa is proper flawless English, the chat was (language-wise) a mess. The one who wrote the texts on eur.msxa is either a native English speaker or someone with excellent English skills.

Geez, now that I have read all posts in the MSXA website... what a mess!! How could MSXA loose control of things like that?!! And how can Mr Nishi be part of both MSXA and MSX Licensing and be in the middle of this whole mess.... ???!!! If D4 released the OCM illegally, how could Mr Nishi work with them again in the Wii VC??!! That doesn't make any sense...

Oh, must be me living in Japan for a year (he’s much better at English than most Japanese ;p), I had no trouble understanding him . Found it weird already that Manuel was translating him! ^_^

Also, IRC is quick medium, I can imagine that it is harder to use proper English there than when taking your time to write a blog post of a couple of paragraphs . It certainly seems to have a Japanese ‘sound’ to it (choice of words, etc.) if you ask me. Also consider the possibility that the post was edited to improve the language by a good English speaker. But either way, your guess is as good as mine. It says MSX Association in big letters at the top though, and it is on the msxa.org domain.

@Samor: Oh, come on, in your followup post you point to tracert (which ends at tni.nl) as ‘proof’ of your statement. Don’t spin it please…

@opcode: Yeah, it seems that things became a bit of a mess. Whether it’s D4E or MSX Association’s fault, I don’t know, probably both are to blame. I’m sure neither likes the current situation either (although, in the end, that’s business). But at least MSX Association is trying to get things up and running in Europe, been on several visits too (now and in the past), whereas D4E never did anything for the European community. And MSX Association have the ESE folks’ support.

>quote: @Samor: Oh, come on, in your followup post you point to tracert (which ends at tni.nl) as ‘proof’ of your statement. Don’t spin it please…

Do not worry; I leave the spinning to TNI. You guys are wayyy better at it, afterall.

@opcode:

The event was public, but there is a difference between revealing your plans to a small audience of enthusiasts and posting it on the internet . I’m sure more information will become available in due time.

Yes, the ESE MSX System 3 (ESE 3) is the same as the 1chip MSX that was by D4E. ESE is the MSX users group that developed the hardware, and D4E produced and sold it under license. The ESE MSX System 4 is a standalone device, but the abilities to use it with the ESE 3 (or any other MSX!) are interesting, it does not just connect to the PC, I like that. I think the ESE 4 had a bigger FPGA, but I’m not sure about it. At least its design is different, so it is not just the ESE 3 with a bigger FPGA.

@Samor: Oh, quit it already. If you don’t have anything to say but repeat the same slander towards TNI, just stay silent.

@EVPON: I don’t know about Barcelona, but MSX Association was (as far as I know) at MadriSX and I think gave a presentation there just like they did at the event in the Netherlands.

There’s a contact form at MSX Association’s European site http://eur.msxa.org/ , that seems the appropriate place for inquiries of that kind… :)

hm yeah, it's quite a sad joke what's being posted there....

I don’t understand why they are going to sell the system3 when there is a system4 ready. Who is going to buy a 5 years old system when there is a new and improved one?

Patsie: I think sjoerd means that there's a redundant choice between buying a System4 that is a soft core MSX turboR or a System3 that is a soft core MSX2 (or 2+, depending on how far HRA! and consorts can get it).

Disclaimer: I'm not saying that the #4 is available nor that it will be a soft core turboR

@Sjoerd: Well, they looked like they were going to be kind of different devices… ESE 3 being more like a ‘real’ MSX (with joystick ports and cartridge slot, etc.) while the ESE 4, being cartridge-sized, doesn’t have room for those. So the ESE 3 definitely still has value, even after ESE 4 is in production. Also, no word on how close the ESE 4 is to production…

Then definitely ESE MSX SYSTEM 4 is the project which Shiozawa showed at Barcelona meeting (and others places I think...). A mini MSX called Pocket MSX in a cartridge case with SD slot, jack audio ouput, cursors, DC connector and two fire buttons. I only could deduce this from a simple image. Just like a portable MSX, Tsujikawa said in a interview that this project was his dream and soon it will be real.

And which other countries?

Out of curiosity: has there been mentioning of ESE MSX System 4 on Japanese websites already?

In Israel, of course

We already have solutions for other countries

That doesn't say 'all other countries', does it? It may as well be just Italy, Spain, Argentina and France or something..

Prolly not.. ok, bad luck for Argentina then.. ^_^

"Well yeah, it's quite sad indeed, but I'm trying to stay positive by having a good laugh at the humorous sideshows while watching our scene slowly sinking into hell.
...But we won't let that happen, will we?"

well, I guess that's a better way to look at it, yeah... especially the last part. The last thing anyone wants is the demise of the msx community (at least I hope that's the case)

The european msxa site seems to be unreachable?

*looks at earlier posts .... hmm, anger outbursts are a bad thing.

I heard some people didn't quite like my recent posts.

I've been very unhappy with many "political" things TNI has done in the MSX community in recent times, leading to those posts.
I could've, however, worded things less harsh.

Also, my criticism is directed to TNI as a group, not any individuals. And it's just about the politics too, not their MSX development efforts.

As for the "frickin' liars" thing - I was referring to very colored press releases I read on for example eur.msxa.org. Maybe I should've talked about "creative writing" instead, but there was something fundamentally wrong with those articles.

If people really got as worked up as I heard - that was not the intention, rather, I hope an end can be put to the childish fights within the msx community. Angry outbursts are never a problem solver; I should've known better.

Finally, seeing as how things have turned out recently: Please let this whole commercial MSX thing just END, please. It's getting nowhere. I understand some people want OCM's, and I hope they can get them, but the community is much more important than the whole commercial thing.

I guess that many people still don't like my opinion, but my apologies for the outburst.

Argentina is Europe? :-PSince Wim-Lex married Maxima, Argentina is the 13th dutch province, didn't you know? ;-)

i dont know whom to blame but i am fed up with that crap.I have given my email to bazix to wait for the european release of one chip msx.All these years i wanted to buy one and nothing appeared!

All they are doing is losing customers,i know 3-4 other people that would want to buy one chip msx.The msx MSX-A or whoever has the rights for the msx logo,just loses customers.

And no i dont want to import a japanese one from ebay and pay higer prices.

We just need a new european one model.