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Por pitpan

Prophet (3138)

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05-05-2004, 23:50


Erm... Who is using tapes these days anyway? I mean, we all don't have to have ATA-IDE or MEGASCSI interfaces connected to our dear MSXs, but diskettes aren't too slow or something. Remember the size of a worthy MSX game? Or even better... Remember the standard size of RAM in a MSX2? 128kB! My MSX Turbo R A1ST has a disk transfer rate of 21kB/s. So, that RAM is filled in just 128/21 = 6 seconds! That is something I wouldn't call 'slow'... Of course those cracked games (4Mbit, 8Mbit) will cost one a huge amount of RAM, thus a huge loading time, but that's not for my sake. And if a diskette is still too slow for you, buy an ATA-IDE! Smile

Hmmm! I DO use tapes and their evolution, CDs, with audio tracks to be loaded in the real MSX using the cassette interface. It works fine and allows you to play the greatest non-megaROM games in any MSX system with 64 KB of RAM.

About speed, WAVeR v.3, that now is in the last beta stage of development, allows any MSX system to load at 12500 bauds (or even more). That makes 1,5 KB/second. A 32 KB ROM loads in an average time of 24 seconds. Is that a good speed for you?

Now it is faster to load ANY MSX non-megaROM game than booting your Windoze for PC!

For example, I have prepared a miniCD (8 cm) with 120 ROMs converted to audio.

Por Haohmaru

Paladin (773)

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06-05-2004, 00:16

Wow, good to see opinions flying around like crazy Wink

What I meant with 'emulation promotes/stimulates piracy' was this:

Emulators nees diskimages/ROM images to run the games
They also need the system roms

Where do you get those from?

Pirates who made the ROM/Disk images

Your emulator may be freeware, may be clear of copyright issues (by not using system roms, admitting to the rights of ASCII/Mircosoft/etc), but not all software is declared 'free' to use with emulators.

People who use emulators do not own the original software and never will, because they will just get on the internet and download it. They will not buy new (community) software, no matter how good it is, because they think: 'I never payed for any of this, apart from my internet connection. Why start paying now?'.

I buy new community software, and I like to own the original software I deem worthy of my hard-earned cash. I'm not into leeching tons of piated software I will never play because 98% of it is shit. If I stumble upon a pirated game and I like it, I will try to get the official version.

So, an emulator incites people to buy the real hardware?. BUY? I don't think so. They need more persuasion. From US! Show them their favourite emulated MSX game on a real MSX (make sure it's the original software with box, manuals, mousepads, stickers, posters and bandages) and see if they're willing to pay for it.

They will only start with the real thing if it shows them a distinct advantage over using the pirated (emulated) version. They need to be caught by whatever makes US emtpy our wallets at the sight of an original Princess Maker.

Good luck on 'convincing' those poor MSX-less people!

BodyHammeR

Por [D-Tail]

Ascended (8247)

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06-05-2004, 00:40

I agree with you. I have buyed Bombaman and I won't put the dsk images of the game on my site (for example) until it would be declared freeware. Everyone should make the same, and generally it's the case. Until now, I don't have seen Bombaman on a warez site, so where's the problem ?
Well... I've seen quite a lot of people with an assembler/IDE called Compass (by Compjoetania TNG), which had been registered to one single man... Not to mention names of course...

[SNIP]

A very interesting discussion. Good luck with your demo, I'll run it on my real MSX (NMS 8280 and FS-A1ST) and on blueMSX ! If you have just a little time, try blueMSX !

I stripped out the rest of it because I don't think a reaction would really solve our difference in opinion. I'm happy with the way you think about it, you probably also with mine Smile

[offtopic]But my demo will be only for MSX2+ and higher Smile So yes! Take your A1ST! Tongue[/offtopic]

Por [D-Tail]

Ascended (8247)

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06-05-2004, 00:53

So, an emulator incites people to buy the real hardware?. BUY? I don't think so. They need more persuasion. From US! Show them their favourite emulated MSX game on a real MSX (make sure it's the original software with box, manuals, mousepads, stickers, posters and bandages) and see if they're willing to pay for it.
Hey man, you're pointing at my XAKIII with Fray bandages? And Princess Maker with A3 poster? Tongue

They will only start with the real thing if it shows them a distinct advantage over using the pirated (emulated) version. They need to be caught by whatever makes US emtpy our wallets at the sight of an original Princess Maker.
Yeah, I'm quite poor since last Tilbeurs... Sad
On the other hand, I've finally a fully functional and complete Princess Maker!

Good luck on 'convincing' those poor MSX-less people!
Here we go...

Hey, mr. Emulator User, have you already seen my Princess Maker (original Micro Cabin), with an original fullcolour A3 poster, 2 original fullcolour manuals, 2 original survey forms, an original super-de-luxe disk box containing 7 original disks with fullcolour labels and an original fullcolour label for the save-game-disk?

No?

What about my XAKIII (original Micro Cabin), with original manual, original quickmanual, 2 original survey forms, a piece of original japanese note paper, 4 original disks containing original fullcolour labels, including one fullcolour label for the save-game-disk, and finally, last but certainly not least, original fullcolour bandages (x4), with a picture of Fray on them, of course wrapped in a nice original fullcolour envelope?

Was this enough convincing yet, mr. wildBHR? (or should I say, mildBHR? Tongue) ^^;

Por [D-Tail]

Ascended (8247)

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06-05-2004, 00:59

Hmmm! I DO use tapes and their evolution, CDs, with audio tracks to be loaded in the real MSX using the cassette interface. It works fine and allows you to play the greatest non-megaROM games in any MSX system with 64 KB of RAM.

About speed, WAVeR v.3, that now is in the last beta stage of development, allows any MSX system to load at 12500 bauds (or even more). That makes 1,5 KB/second. A 32 KB ROM loads in an average time of 24 seconds. Is that a good speed for you?

Now it is faster to load ANY MSX non-megaROM game than booting your Windoze for PC!

For example, I have prepared a miniCD (8 cm) with 120 ROMs converted to audio.

Sounds like a nice piece of development indeed! Maybe it could be combined using Jon De Schrijders IDE audio reader? That could lead to an incredible increase of speed! 150kB/s on a MSX2! Big smile

Hihi, anything faster than tape is good for me Wink

Por snout

Ascended (15184)

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10-05-2004, 02:04

IDE audio reader? You might want to explain that one to me Wink

Por Haohmaru

Paladin (773)

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15-05-2004, 00:36

Hey man, you're pointing at my XAKIII with Fray bandages? And Princess Maker with A3 poster? Tongue

Yes, you lucky Bastard!! (Wink)

On the other hand, I've finally a fully functional and complete Princess Maker!

That's not wasting money on ancient software, that's investment for the future.

Here we go...

SCENE MISSING Wink

Was this enough convincing yet, mr. wildBHR? (or should I say, mildBHR? Tongue) ^^;

Hey I haven't embarrassed myself enough to call me 'mildBHR' again since Bussum 2k? (the one with the 'Music Compo'.

I can tell I'm 23+, I'm staring to forget important stuff!

..could be Bussum 2k2.. Or I've set myself on fire again Wink

.my_actual_message_Wink :

See folks, how this 'poor student' gets a massive kick out of obtaining original software? There are more people like this - and I do NOT mean collectors! The kind of idiot who spends 2000+ US$ on a Neo-Geo (yay!) game because it's collectible. I'm talking about people who want to PLAY those games!

'Who's that LOAD"SLET" guy, anyway?' - BuddySlammeR

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