MRC Policies and Sockpuppeting

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Por FiXato

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30-01-2011, 16:05

Since I wasn't really satisfied with the response I got from Wolf_ in the #msx chat on Rizon, I decided to open a topic here in the hope to get a response from the rest of the MSX Resource Center staff and to point out to the rest of the forum visitors that sockpuppeting isn't safe here apparently.

A quote from wolf_ from the marlon-b=RyJuZo discussion in the age+ thread:
Ahum.. according to an IP-check I just did, they probably are.. :P

So, if you have a sock-puppet account, apparently it is okay for a moderator to break section 5.1 of the MRC policies:
5.1 Any provided personal information submitted to the MRC in non-public areas, like membership account information, is kept confidential. Such information will not be shared with any third parties and is only accessible by MRC administrators.

Imho an IP-address is 'personal information submitted to the MRC in non-public areas' and by saying that IPs match, MRC is sharing it. Maybe not the exact IP, but without access to the information, members can never be sure if IPs match.

As I suggested in chat, maybe a policy change is in order? Either say that sock-puppet accounts will be merged, or make IP addresses public through a 1-way encryption if you want users to figure out for themselves if someone is a sockpuppet or not.
Or adhere to your own policies and train your staff to keep that information to yourself. People are clever enough to figure out if a user is a sockpuppet or not. If they aren't, then that is their problem.

In the mean time, if you intend to have a sockpuppet account, be aware that MRC staff apparently has the right to say you are connecting from the same IP as your original account.

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Por OeiOeiVogeltje

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30-01-2011, 16:27

if someone uses a sockpuppet on a forum like this ,its to mess with its users and or staff

simply expect to get messed with back then.

making such a fuss over such a trivial matter......

Por Vampier

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30-01-2011, 17:02

fixato: the fact that is was apparent that marlon-b==RyJuZo doesn't mean that wolf_ should indeed overstep his boundaries as one of the admins of MSX.org. The blatant arrogance demonstrated by him makes me to believe he doesn't like marlon-b much... it doesn't really matter if marlon-b is full of crap or not.... at least he posts screenshots of stuff where most msx.org members don't do anything for the scene anymore except comment on how full of crap someone is.

This scene has gone to hell in a hand basket and praises itself with this fact.

Very poor behaviour from our friend Wolf in this case BA-team

Por hap

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30-01-2011, 17:35

pff Tongue

I don't like the policies/disclaimer at all (not just on this site), they're written so vaguely that quoting them is like to someone using the Bible to defend a statement. For example, IMHO sockpuppetry is comparable to fraud, which makes wolf_ not responsible according to 2.2

Por FiXato

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30-01-2011, 17:37

Vampier: I wouldn't call it arrogance.. a judgement error maybe.
hap: if it is fraud, the account should be banned instead.

Por hap

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30-01-2011, 17:45

fraud/sockpuppetry: deception/trickery for personal profit/gain
It's up to admins to decide what to do with the situation, wolf_ decided to let users know, in order to stop the nonsensical self praise (and whatever other reason(s)).

Por Sander

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30-01-2011, 20:08

@Vampier: where most msx.org members don't do anything for the scene anymore except comment on how full of crap someone is

Excuse me?

Por Manuel

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30-01-2011, 20:39

Sander: don't feed the trolls, you know better Tongue

Por NYYRIKKI

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30-01-2011, 20:54

Now let's suspend Wolf_ account for one hour, delete all insulting posts and then continue with our lives.

It would be so nice, if you would stop eating each other for breakfast every time you get the possibility. Try to relax a bit, this is supposed to be a fun hobby...

Por Sander

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30-01-2011, 20:59

Just saying: if you don't want people to act a certain way, don't do the same things that you don't want other people to do.

Por JohnHassink

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30-01-2011, 21:11

Just saying: if you don't want people to act a certain way, don't do the same things that you don't want other people to do.

Hinduism: 3200 BC, from the Hitopadesha-
"One should always treat others as they themselves wish to be treated."

Judaism: 1300 BC, from the Old Testament, Leviticus 19:18-
"Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself."

Zoroastrianism: 600 BC, from the Shast-na-shayast 13:29-
"Whatever is disagreeable to yourself, do not do unto others."

Buddhism: 560 BC, from the Udanavarga 5:18-
"Hurt not others with that which pains yourself."

Confucianism: 557 BC, from the Analects 15:23-
"What you do not want done to yourself, do not do to others."

Christianity: 30 AD, from the King James Version, Matthew 7:12-
"Whatsoever ye would that others should do to you, do ye even so to them."

Commonsensism: a version of the golden rule put into modern, non-religious terms that some people live by is-
"Treat people the way you'd like to be treated." 

http://www.thegoldenrule.net/quotes.htm :hannibal:

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